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jakez4ut said:
so what do the numbers represent? % of snaps? stuffs per series? what constitutes Havoc anyway? there's no context here????

that seems like something somebody made up...lol. and honeslty, i don't know by looking at that whether we're good bad, middle of the road.........we're just out there by ourselves....and in statistics, that's usually not necessarily a good thing?
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Stuff rate turns out to just be the rate at which a runner is stopped at or behind the LOS.

Honestly our numbers are better than it feels like we’ve played.
 
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The VQ podcast dropped today and a question was posed if UT's next commit would be above 300 pounds. AP's response was 'I don't know. I guess it depends if someone commits before Mims commits or if Mims commits as there have been some guys back on forth on what they may do.'

That's got to be either Malone for this class, Mims, or Nolen in the next class, right? Are there any other prospects that size that UT is in on right now?
 
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thunderduck17 said:
But...Georgia fans keep saying on this board and others that their defense is God's gift to football. How could they be middle of the pack in any defensive metric?!?
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The one criticism I've heard of UGA's defense from a bunch of different places is they lack "havoc" plays in the front 7. They don't have a lot of sacks, TFL's, forced fumbles, etc.

This is like a few years ago when people argued that Bama's defense wasn't as good because they didn't get a lot of sacks from their front 7. Lack of sack production was true, but that didn't take away from the fact they were still one of the best defenses in the country.

Even without the havoc plays UGA's defense is plenty good....maybe not all-world....but still really, really good and will be a challenge for Tennessee on Saturday.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Back at the doctor. Paying out of pocket and hoping to be able to claim it afterwards. Now the school calls and has the form, but it has to be the original, so do I want to turn around drive back 25 minutes again? Lol
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I don’t recommend this. We’ve been working for a year to get a claim done that we paid out of pocket for.
 
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volfaninpa said:
The VQ podcast dropped today and a question was posed if UT's next commit would be above 300 pounds. AP's response was 'I don't know. I guess it depends if someone commits before Mims commits or if Mims commits as there have been some guys back on forth on what they may do.'

That's got to be either Malone for this class, Mims, or Nolen in the next class, right? Are there any other prospects that size that UT is in on right now?
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That also reads like Mims is a Vol.
 
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AllVol11717 said:
Stuff rate turns out to just be the rate at which a runner is stopped at or behind the LOS.

Honestly our numbers are better than it feels like we’ve played.
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yeah, and i think that's because there's still some context left out there. you stuff a run on 1st down, creat a havoc play on 2nd down, but still give up a 1st down....those #'s dont' mean much.

anyway...it's nice i guess. but scoring defense/red zone %, and 3rd down efficiency are a couple of 'end result' numbers that i think mean a lot to defenses....if you're not good on 3rd downs, then you have to fo find out why, and that's when numbers on winning/losing 1st down start matter. if you're not good on scoring defense or red zone efficiency, then you have to go back and look at the rushing vs. passing numbers, and fix those defficiencies....

stuff rate or havoc rate, to me, those are more of "big plays" defense make, and not necessarily an indicaton of how good your defense is.....could be great on those things, and awful on 3rd downs...and awful in red zone........feast or famine type of defense, vs. bend but don't break defense....

we've seen with our defense already this year, they have spurts where htey look all world....and then there's spells during the game where they look slow and completely lost....they're still looking for consistency.

last thing, i do think one big take away from stats like these is that you can get an idea of what kind of effort your defense plays with. this defense has been beat in both games we've played, but they fly to the ball, they tackle pretty well, and i've seen my fair share of gang tackling....and you don't get havoc plays or stuffs at the LOS w/out great effort. and that you get a lot of those plays, tells you that you are going against a group that will go after you......if we clean up some of the mistakes we've made, this defense can be really good, right now....especially the coverage mistakes.
 
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volfaninpa said:
The VQ podcast dropped today and a question was posed if UT's next commit would be above 300 pounds. AP's response was 'I don't know. I guess it depends if someone commits before Mims commits or if Mims commits as there have been some guys back on forth on what they may do.'

That's got to be either Malone for this class, Mims, or Nolen in the next class, right? Are there any other prospects that size that UT is in on right now?
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Malone and Nolen are listed at exactly 300 pounds so it could be either of them
 
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TrueVolsGBOInsider said:
Possibly, lol. that was some bull spit though. Been a lifelong Padres fan unfortunately, my pops was stationed in San Diego twice when I was a kid so I’m stuck with them I reckon. Hell of a play by bellinger though, I just wish this was the NLCS instead of division series, I truly think the Padres and dodgers are the best in the NL
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Yeah, I got my Dodgers fandom from my dad who grew up out there.

I didn’t like Graterol’s theatrics when that happened but I’m kind of old school like that. I didn’t particularly care for Manny’s display when hit his homer, either, so maybe that had something to do with it.

I was sweating that 9th inning though. Barnes dropped a strikeout that would have been the second out when there was no one on base, I think. And then we were down to one strike four times before getting that last out.

I will say this, too. Even though I felt like we benefitted from it more than SD, the inconsistent strike zone in game one was ridiculous. It’s no wonder your manager lost his sh!t and got tossed.
 
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triadvolfan said:
My guess is the poor 3rd down conversion rate hasn't been the OL's fault by their metrics. So if the OL holds up well and JG misses a pass or a receiver drops the ball then the OL gets a positive score for that play.

Just a guess though. I don't follow football outsiders that closely.
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That is what I was curious about. If the 3rd down and long pass attempt fails, but JG was untouched, I assume FO must still consider that a win by the OL.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
Curious as to how Football Outsiders arrived at that. Considerng we were 1-12 on 3rd downs against SC, with the lone first down being the 3rd and 2 (so no in the 3rd and 4 or longer category) throw where BJ made the great one-handed snag, I am not sure how we could possibly be #1 in that category. I thnk we were closer to 50% against Mizzou, but our 3rd down pct. still has to be rather bad at this point. We must be damn near perfect on 2nd and 7 or longer.
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Well we were 4 for 4 last week on 4th downs.... that probably helped.
 
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jakez4ut said:
yeah, and i think that's because there's still some context left out there. you stuff a run on 1st down, creat a havoc play on 2nd down, but still give up a 1st down....those #'s dont' mean much.

anyway...it's nice i guess. but scoring defense/red zone %, and 3rd down efficiency are a couple of 'end result' numbers that i think mean a lot to defenses....if you're not good on 3rd downs, then you have to fo find out why, and that's when numbers on winning/losing 1st down start matter. if you're not good on scoring defense or red zone efficiency, then you have to go back and look at the rushing vs. passing numbers, and fix those defficiencies....

stuff rate or havoc rate, to me, those are more of "big plays" defense make, and not necessarily an indicaton of how good your defense is.....could be great on those things, and awful on 3rd downs...and awful in red zone........feast or famine type of defense, vs. bend but don't break defense....

we've seen with our defense already this year, they have spurts where htey look all world....and then there's spells during the game where they look slow and completely lost....they're still looking for consistency.

last thing, i do think one big take away from stats like these is that you can get an idea of what kind of effort your defense plays with. this defense has been beat in both games we've played, but they fly to the ball, they tackle pretty well, and i've seen my fair share of gang tackling....and you don't get havoc plays or stuffs at the LOS w/out great effort. and that you get a lot of those plays, tells you that you are going against a group that will go after you......if we clean up some of the mistakes we've made, this defense can be really good, right now....especially the coverage mistakes.
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Agree on all points. It’s also worth noting this chart excludes our DBs which have been arguably the most underwhelming position group so far.
 
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I watched the Missouri game again. Missouri sold themselves out to stop the run in the 2nd half after we ran it all over them. Georgia will definitely do the same and probably from the get go. We need JG to have a game like 2018 auburn or 2019 Missouri. He will need to be dependable when Georgia brings 7-8 guys.
 
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gordonr24 said:
I watched the Missouri game again. Missouri sold themselves out to stop the run in the 2nd half after we ran it all over them. Georgia will definitely do the same and probably from the get go. We need JG to have a game like 2018 auburn or 2019 Missouri. He will need to be dependable when Georgia brings 7-8 guys.
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And continue to be perfect in the turnover category...but I have a feeling that streak will end this weekend.

Still optimistic about the game though. Tone setter for JP and crew.
 
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