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I'm going to trust the coaches to figure out which of our QB's on the roster are the best fit for their offense. I think the most important trait will be making those quick decisions at the line and immediately after the snap to put the defense in conflict on RPO's. The QB being able to run is a nice bonus, but Baylor's offense scored more points under Bryce Petty than they did under RGIII and Petty was never that much of a running threat.
 
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I can see this, and agree, with the exception that SC should be a W, as well as UK. JG isn't going to be here to throw them pic 6's. Those two, coupled with the 4 OOC and Vandy gets us to 7. Ole Miss or Missouri are the swing games for 8, and Ole Miss is at home (hopefully Neyland will be rocking by then).

Kentucky, unlike South Carolina, has a solid coach and roster in place already. They played 4 top 10 teams this year and lost 6 games. Ole Miss being the only unranked team to beat them (by just a point). I just don't think Kentucky is on the same level as Vandy/South Carolina and we play at Kentucky. Sure we beat them there in 2019 but it came down to having to make some stops at the goal line to get it done...while they had a WR playing QB. I think Joey Gatewood could be a really good QB for them and he'll get a full off-season to prepare as the guy.

But yeah we could beat 9 outta the 12 teams we face, just don't like being super optimistic when every other new staff has disappointed in the past. It'll take some time to get thinks clicking I believe, if Banks is the real deal we may see an instant turnaround with this team.
 
Obviously his job performance is the main factor, but I wonder if Artis has sort of been the "bridge" between Heup and the kids. The weightroom seems like it was Heup's first place to hang out and get to know the players.
Strength coaches spend more time with the players than anyone else on staff.
 
Every coaching staff says it will build its offense around the roster. Every one.

The fact of the matter is Golesh said verbatim today that they prefer a running QB. So I would bet on Hooker or Salter being Day 1 starter.

Bailey, in his short time playing, also didn't seem to have the arm strength necessary to run an offense like this.

I'm not ruling him out, but like I said, I don't think he's the favorite.
Butch was very outspoken about not adjusting his scheme to personnel.
 
After watching way too many UCF, Missouri and Baylor games and doing some research the last 3 weeks, here are some things I've noticed about the offense and QB in particular:

1. Besides the obvious high tempo and it being a spread system, some trademarks of the offense are that the WRs are split out much wider than most teams. The furthest wide out on each side usually lines up on the outside of the yard line markers near the sideline. Probably 90-95 percent of the time the ball is thrown on a hitch, slant, post, bubble or a go route on the outside or to the slot. Not many balls are thrown in the middle of the field but this could also be due to personnel and matchups (perhaps a guy like Dee Beckwith, should he move to tight end, might call for more tight end targets/middle of the field routes).

2. There are a few things each starter I've seen in this system have in common. With JH alone, I've watched Dillon Gabriel, Mckenzie Milton, and Drew Lock. But this is a version of the Art Briles system so I've also watched RG3, Bryce Petty, Jarrett Stidham, etc also. Each one of those guys had a pretty quick release. They have no doubt practiced this, but a guy like Harrison Bailey is going to need to undergo some pretty dramatic changes in his mechanics in order to be a fit for this system. When I say quick release, I'm not talking about how long to read the defense and react, but rather how quick you can actually get the ball out of your hands once you've made the decision where to go with it. I think Hooker, Maurer and Salter from what I've seen are ahead of Bailey in that area of their game.

3. With the WRs being split out so wide coupled with the fact this offense isn't called the veer and shoot for nothing, arm strength is going to be important. It may not be the end-all-be-all, but in order to "shoot" on those go routes, the QB is going to have to have adequate arm strength to throw the ball downfield 40-50 yards on the regular. With that being said, not just accuracy, but downfield accuracy coupled with arm strength is probably one of the most important attributes for a QB in this system.

4. This system is pretty flexible with being friendly to pocket passers and dual threats alike. Unlike the lip service you hear from a lot of coaches that any quarterback fits their system (looking at you Butch), this system pretty much does fit any type of QB. However, I do think it works best with a guy who has the arm strength to stretch the field. If you couple that with a guy who can run, it's not a stretch of the imagination to see that type of player being in end-of-the-year awards conversations. Our best runners appear to be Hooker and Maurer and I think Salter is mobile but maybe not a home run threat with his legs.

I'm certain there is so much more to it especially on the mental side, making reads, checks, run fits, etc. But with all of that being said, here's how I see it breaking down depth chart wise and why...

QB1 - Hooker
Experienced 5th-year guy with 2 years left, has had some success in P5 and beat some solid teams, arm strength not elite but definitely adequate at the college level. Accuracy similar to arm strength, probably not elite, but not an obvious liability. Appears to have good mobility in the pocket and ability to scramble if needed. Higher end running QB who should have a healthy amount of QB runs drawn up for him. Game is similar to Josh Dobbs and I think with his experience, he gives us the best chance to win right away.

QB2 - Salter
While an unknown until hitting the field, Salter appears to have high-end arm talent and mobility in the pocket and scrambling from high school clips. Accuracy will be an unknown until practice starts. Good prospect with the highest ceiling. May push Hooker to start later in the season depending on development and accuracy. Mechanics look advanced.

QB3/4 - Bailey/Maurer
To me, this one is a toss-up. Obviously, Bailey appears to have more potential than Maurer. However, I'm pretty concerned about Bailey having to change his mechanics for this system. Last year, Bailey had a lot of that "baby giraffe" look a lot of freshmen do. That doesn't mean that he can't mature and become a great QB, but his release is not quick and that means he will have to get comfortable shortening his throwing motion which can take a lot of work. He also was very slow on his reads when a guy was not totally open and took a lot of unnecessary sacks. While this system is pretty QB-friendly, and even as-is I'm sure Bailey could be serviceable, I just don't see him being a starter in this system without some serious intervention in his mechanics.

Maurer still has a lot of potential and could surprise, but he doesn't do anything really well except run. He has adequate to good arm strength but accuracy and decision-making have shown to be liabilities in the past. In my opinion, in order for Maurer to break through and have a chance here, he is going to have to prove to be a consistently better passer than Hooker in every way and be almost mistake-free. His running ability is similar with hooker (hooker is probably better), but he is slighter in stature so he's not going to be a guy you want taking 10-15 carries a game and taking hits all season. I hope he proves me wrong, but I just don't see him being a factor unless there is miraculous improvement.

Just wanted to give you my two cents, and I hope it was insightful. Go Vols!
 
Don’t blame Bailey for his crack pot coach. He may not be a runner but he’s got plenty of arm strength. Just because he can’t throw it into the next county doesent mean he lacks arm strength

It wasn't Bailey's arm strength but rather his deep ball accuracy that was a problem IMO. I'm not sure much coaching will be able to fix that.
 
thanks. Sorry for the mistake

that army game and at Pitt worries me

at BYU could be a problem as well but obviously better than OU
Yeah, may want to get all the info correct, before you go making bold prophecies there, Ezekiel. I mean, Bru...do you take yourself so seriously, that you're trying to make predictions, and worrying, about 3 and 4 yrs into the future? I mean, your OP stated that in year 3 (which was wrong), it is "another almost certain loss" "in Oklahoma". 2024 (year 4) game is in Knoxville. Seriously, you're making predictions about a game that doesn't even exist.

Please tell me that you see the absolute ridiculousness of your OP? If you dont, it's safe to say that you see yourself as a prophet, and may be delusional.
 
Yeah, may want to get all the info correct, before you go making bold prophecies there, Ezekiel. I mean, Bru...do you take yourself so seriously, that you're trying to make predictions, and worrying, about 3 and 4 yrs into the future? I mean, your OP stated that in year 3 (which was wrong), it is "another almost certain loss" "in Oklahoma". 2024 (year 4) game is in Knoxville.

Please tell me that you see the absolute ridiculousness of your OP? If you dont, it's safe to say that you see yourself as a prophet, and may be delusional.

stfu

I stand by next years record being better than year 3. Sorry I spoiled your day
 
stfu

I stand by next years record being better than year 3. Sorry I spoiled your day
There you go again, thinking too much of yourself, making more assumptions. Not spoiled at all...I enjoy showing the board how wrong, ridiculous, and FOS you can be.
 
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After watching way too many UCF, Missouri and Baylor games and doing some research the last 3 weeks, here are some things I've noticed about the offense and QB in particular:

1. Besides the obvious high tempo and it being a spread system, some trademarks of the offense are that the WRs are split out much wider than most teams. The furthest wide out on each side usually lines up on the outside of the yard line markers near the sideline. Probably 90-95 percent of the time the ball is thrown on a hitch, slant, post, bubble or a go route on the outside or to the slot. Not many balls are thrown in the middle of the field but this could also be due to personnel and matchups (perhaps a guy like Dee Beckwith, should he move to tight end, might call for more tight end targets/middle of the field routes).

2. There are a few things each starter I've seen in this system have in common. With JH alone, I've watched Dillon Gabriel, Mckenzie Milton, and Drew Lock. But this is a version of the Art Briles system so I've also watched RG3, Bryce Petty, Jarrett Stidham, etc also. Each one of those guys had a pretty quick release. They have no doubt practiced this, but a guy like Harrison Bailey is going to need to undergo some pretty dramatic changes in his mechanics in order to be a fit for this system. When I say quick release, I'm not talking about how long to read the defense and react, but rather how quick you can actually get the ball out of your hands once you've made the decision where to go with it. I think Hooker, Maurer and Salter from what I've seen are ahead of Bailey in that area of their game.

3. With the WRs being split out so wide coupled with the fact this offense isn't called the veer and shoot for nothing, arm strength is going to be important. It may not be the end-all-be-all, but in order to "shoot" on those go routes, the QB is going to have to have adequate arm strength to throw the ball downfield 40-50 yards on the regular. With that being said, not just accuracy, but downfield accuracy coupled with arm strength is probably one of the most important attributes for a QB in this system.

4. This system is pretty flexible with being friendly to pocket passers and dual threats alike. Unlike the lip service you hear from a lot of coaches that any quarterback fits their system (looking at you Butch), this system pretty much does fit any type of QB. However, I do think it works best with a guy who has the arm strength to stretch the field. If you couple that with a guy who can run, it's not a stretch of the imagination to see that type of player being in end-of-the-year awards conversations. Our best runners appear to be Hooker and Maurer and I think Salter is mobile but maybe not a home run threat with his legs.

I'm certain there is so much more to it especially on the mental side, making reads, checks, run fits, etc. But with all of that being said, here's how I see it breaking down depth chart wise and why...

QB1 - Hooker
Experienced 5th-year guy with 2 years left, has had some success in P5 and beat some solid teams, arm strength not elite but definitely adequate at the college level. Accuracy similar to arm strength, probably not elite, but not an obvious liability. Appears to have good mobility in the pocket and ability to scramble if needed. Higher end running QB who should have a healthy amount of QB runs drawn up for him. Game is similar to Josh Dobbs and I think with his experience, he gives us the best chance to win right away.

QB2 - Salter
While an unknown until hitting the field, Salter appears to have high-end arm talent and mobility in the pocket and scrambling from high school clips. Accuracy will be an unknown until practice starts. Good prospect with the highest ceiling. May push Hooker to start later in the season depending on development and accuracy. Mechanics look advanced.

QB3/4 - Bailey/Maurer
To me, this one is a toss-up. Obviously, Bailey appears to have more potential than Maurer. However, I'm pretty concerned about Bailey having to change his mechanics for this system. Last year, Bailey had a lot of that "baby giraffe" look a lot of freshmen do. That doesn't mean that he can't mature and become a great QB, but his release is not quick and that means he will have to get comfortable shortening his throwing motion which can take a lot of work. He also was very slow on his reads when a guy was not totally open and took a lot of unnecessary sacks. While this system is pretty QB-friendly, and even as-is I'm sure Bailey could be serviceable, I just don't see him being a starter in this system without some serious intervention in his mechanics.

Maurer still has a lot of potential and could surprise, but he doesn't do anything really well except run. He has adequate to good arm strength but accuracy and decision-making have shown to be liabilities in the past. In my opinion, in order for Maurer to break through and have a chance here, he is going to have to prove to be a consistently better passer than Hooker in every way and be almost mistake-free. His running ability is similar with hooker (hooker is probably better), but he is slighter in stature so he's not going to be a guy you want taking 10-15 carries a game and taking hits all season. I hope he proves me wrong, but I just don't see him being a factor unless there is miraculous improvement.

Just wanted to give you my two cents, and I hope it was insightful. Go Vols!

Very interesting analysis. Thanks for giving me food for thought!
 
I was looking at our OL signees over the past several years and all the stars by their names and I have come to the conclusion that we have been the worst developers of talent of anybody in the country and possible modern history. It is beyond sad it is disgusting and a wasted opportunity if there has ever been one........unbelievable.
 
There you go again, thinking too much of yourself, making more assumptions. Not spoiled at all...I enjoy showing the board how wrong, ridiculous, and FOS you can be.

Lol


We shall see and I hope I am wrong but I see the next 3 years we are going to see a serious deterioration of both our LOS. This next year will be our strongest on both lines and that coupled with a very doable schedule tells me next year is going to be a good.

I hope I am wrong about the lines really being hurt by sanctions going forward but rest assured that thinking has nothing to do with being “spoiled”. Good grief
 
After watching way too many UCF, Missouri and Baylor games and doing some research the last 3 weeks, here are some things I've noticed about the offense and QB in particular:

1. Besides the obvious high tempo and it being a spread system, some trademarks of the offense are that the WRs are split out much wider than most teams. The furthest wide out on each side usually lines up on the outside of the yard line markers near the sideline. Probably 90-95 percent of the time the ball is thrown on a hitch, slant, post, bubble or a go route on the outside or to the slot. Not many balls are thrown in the middle of the field but this could also be due to personnel and matchups (perhaps a guy like Dee Beckwith, should he move to tight end, might call for more tight end targets/middle of the field routes).

2. There are a few things each starter I've seen in this system have in common. With JH alone, I've watched Dillon Gabriel, Mckenzie Milton, and Drew Lock. But this is a version of the Art Briles system so I've also watched RG3, Bryce Petty, Jarrett Stidham, etc also. Each one of those guys had a pretty quick release. They have no doubt practiced this, but a guy like Harrison Bailey is going to need to undergo some pretty dramatic changes in his mechanics in order to be a fit for this system. When I say quick release, I'm not talking about how long to read the defense and react, but rather how quick you can actually get the ball out of your hands once you've made the decision where to go with it. I think Hooker, Maurer and Salter from what I've seen are ahead of Bailey in that area of their game.

3. With the WRs being split out so wide coupled with the fact this offense isn't called the veer and shoot for nothing, arm strength is going to be important. It may not be the end-all-be-all, but in order to "shoot" on those go routes, the QB is going to have to have adequate arm strength to throw the ball downfield 40-50 yards on the regular. With that being said, not just accuracy, but downfield accuracy coupled with arm strength is probably one of the most important attributes for a QB in this system.

4. This system is pretty flexible with being friendly to pocket passers and dual threats alike. Unlike the lip service you hear from a lot of coaches that any quarterback fits their system (looking at you Butch), this system pretty much does fit any type of QB. However, I do think it works best with a guy who has the arm strength to stretch the field. If you couple that with a guy who can run, it's not a stretch of the imagination to see that type of player being in end-of-the-year awards conversations. Our best runners appear to be Hooker and Maurer and I think Salter is mobile but maybe not a home run threat with his legs.

I'm certain there is so much more to it especially on the mental side, making reads, checks, run fits, etc. But with all of that being said, here's how I see it breaking down depth chart wise and why...

QB1 - Hooker
Experienced 5th-year guy with 2 years left, has had some success in P5 and beat some solid teams, arm strength not elite but definitely adequate at the college level. Accuracy similar to arm strength, probably not elite, but not an obvious liability. Appears to have good mobility in the pocket and ability to scramble if needed. Higher end running QB who should have a healthy amount of QB runs drawn up for him. Game is similar to Josh Dobbs and I think with his experience, he gives us the best chance to win right away.

QB2 - Salter
While an unknown until hitting the field, Salter appears to have high-end arm talent and mobility in the pocket and scrambling from high school clips. Accuracy will be an unknown until practice starts. Good prospect with the highest ceiling. May push Hooker to start later in the season depending on development and accuracy. Mechanics look advanced.

QB3/4 - Bailey/Maurer
To me, this one is a toss-up. Obviously, Bailey appears to have more potential than Maurer. However, I'm pretty concerned about Bailey having to change his mechanics for this system. Last year, Bailey had a lot of that "baby giraffe" look a lot of freshmen do. That doesn't mean that he can't mature and become a great QB, but his release is not quick and that means he will have to get comfortable shortening his throwing motion which can take a lot of work. He also was very slow on his reads when a guy was not totally open and took a lot of unnecessary sacks. While this system is pretty QB-friendly, and even as-is I'm sure Bailey could be serviceable, I just don't see him being a starter in this system without some serious intervention in his mechanics.

Maurer still has a lot of potential and could surprise, but he doesn't do anything really well except run. He has adequate to good arm strength but accuracy and decision-making have shown to be liabilities in the past. In my opinion, in order for Maurer to break through and have a chance here, he is going to have to prove to be a consistently better passer than Hooker in every way and be almost mistake-free. His running ability is similar with hooker (hooker is probably better), but he is slighter in stature so he's not going to be a guy you want taking 10-15 carries a game and taking hits all season. I hope he proves me wrong, but I just don't see him being a factor unless there is miraculous improvement.

Just wanted to give you my two cents, and I hope it was insightful. Go Vols!

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