Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[ClasslessVol]

No way you can know that.

? I’ve watched him play

 

[ClasslessVol]

I think people are saying and I agree that Gabriel is a system QB.

And that matters how

 

[Volnukem]

But it really didn’t tho. It’s not like JG got less accurate. He had a higher completion clip in 2020 than he did in 2019 and it was the same as 2018. Chaney just was dead set on forcing the ball downfield. If you go back and watch our route trees last year it’s way too vertical. This chart doesn’t really do it justice Bc it doesn’t have any context tied to the throws but you you can see where his struggles were and Chaney continued to ask him to things he just wasn’t good at. View attachment 363193

That’s what i don’t understand about last year. JG wasn’t bad throwing short and intermediate but that was the minority in our offense. It’s like every play we wanted 40 yards. It just made it so hard on our players... OL had to block longer, delayed JGs reads, tougher throws etc. i hated the way he left here Bc i thought he cashed it in the last two games but Tyson Helton gave us the blue print for how JG could be serviceable. Throw the ball short, get it out of his hands, limit his reads, and occasionally take 50/50 shots. It’s like Chaney thought he still had bray back there i guess.

I just have to point out that his QBR was highest and all of his TDs were on deep balls.

 

[TrippieRedd]

And that matters how

It doesn’t. This whole thing started with Joe Milton. They will try and try to make this seem like a good pickup and that his time at Michigan is all Harbaugh’s fault. Talk about stats aren’t everything, etc.

 

[butchna]

Might not have an immediate final verdict on this move. We’re not one’s to wait.

 

[SSVol]

It doesn’t. This whole thing started with Joe Milton. They will try and try to make this seem like a good pickup and that his time at Michigan is all Harbaugh’s fault. Talk about stats aren’t everything, etc.

So then exactly why do you think that CJH is taking him?

 

[ClasslessVol]

It doesn’t. This whole thing started with Joe Milton. They will try and try to make this seem like a good pickup and that his time at Michigan is all Harbaugh’s fault. Talk about stats aren’t everything, etc.

His only good trait is his arm

 

[drvenner]

? I’ve watched him play

And? That does not determine how well any of them will do at Tennessee under Heupel's instruction.

 

[ClasslessVol]

And? That does not determine how well any of them will do at Tennessee under Heupel's instruction.

Well the fact that we’re bringing in a Michigan outcast is pretty telling of what Heupel thinks of the QB room.

 

[captainfalcon777]

You are missing out Ron. TB's daily blog is a must read for any Vol fan.

He really does need someone to update his website tho lol

 

[volbeast33]

And that matters how

Do you not know what a system qb is? It means it’s the coaches system that makes the qb appear better than in reality he is.

 

[ClasslessVol]

Do you not know what a system qb is? It means it’s the coaches system that makes the qb appear better than in reality he is.

We’re bringing that exact system here though?

 

[HankHill]

I just have to point out that his QBR was highest and all of his TDs were on deep balls.

QBR is the worst stat in football.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Swain declared Bailey a huge bust today. Said it was a major miss that he was a 5 star. Ben said he doesn't have ability and Swain said he isn't SEC level. He did say he could develop and get better, but right now he isn't SEC level.

 

[TrippieRedd]

So then exactly why do you think that CJH is taking him?

Hopefully 3rd string.

Let me put something into perspective.

Last week most of VN was saying the Wade’s “suck” when they clearly don’t. This week, most of VN is trying to talk themselves into thinking Milton isn’t bad, when clearly he is. I’ve seen people post stats, systems and all this other stuff today to try to back it up

4* recruits that haven’t proved a thing in college “suck” but a kid that has played/started for a Power Five school doesn’t when his stats say otherwise, and those go all the way back to HS.

I hope he proves me wrong and this gets bumped 100 times.

 

[Devo182]

$100 says Bailey starts.

Sorry if this is Jimmying a day later, but seems to be quite a bit of chatter he will transfer, especially on 247. Hope not. Think he has unfilled potential and fans (maybe coaches?) just need patience.

Or maybe he just isn't a fit...idk.

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

Swain declared Bailey a huge bust today. Said it was a major miss that he was a 5 star. Ben said he doesn't have ability and Swain said he isn't SEC level. He did say he could develop and get better, but right now he isn't SEC level.

He was pretty adamant about it. He mentioned that ESPN had Bailey as a mid 200 recruit and Rivals had him very overrated.

 

[TrippieRedd]

Swain declared Bailey a huge bust today. Said it was a major miss that he was a 5 star. Ben said he doesn't have ability and Swain said he isn't SEC level. He did say he could develop and get better, but right now he isn't SEC level.

And Milton is a good get. Please, the kid is one of the best in the state of Georgia history at QB. He already proved he looked better than the other QB’s last year as well. He doesn’t show up and just all of a sudden suck

 

[volbeast33]

We’re bringing that exact system here though?

Yes..... and now all the QBs will be playing in that system..... I feel our QBs will look as talented if not more in that system. Just like Gabriel would look like garbage in our old system.

 

[reVOLution33]

I have been watching some Joe Milton Highlights this morning. The throw at the 0:50 mark of this one is nasty.

JM is JG---> JG is JM

 

[butchna]

Well the fact that we’re bringing in a Michigan outcast is pretty telling of what Heupel thinks of the QB room.

Hedge your bets. Coaching thing.

 

[SSVol]

Hopefully 3rd string.

Let me put something into perspective.

Last week most of VN was saying the Wade’s “suck” when they clearly don’t. This week, most of VN is trying to talk themselves into thinking Milton isn’t bad, when clearly he is. I’ve seen people post stats, systems and all this other stuff today.

4* recruits that haven’t proved a thing in college “suck” but a kid that has played/started for a Power Five school doesn’t when his stats say otherwise, and those go all the way back to HS.

I hope he proves me wrong and this gets bumped 100 times.

With 4 scholarship guys on the roster right now (pending Salter), and rumors that he wasn't happy with the QB room, I find it very hard to believe he is bringing in Milton as 3rd string. I see nothing unreasonable with VN trying to find the benefit in CJH's decision to bring him in. You prefer to build the case why he sucks. That's your prerogative.

You act like it is a character flaw, but I prefer people that seek the silver lining. Life is so full of crap these days, dwelling on unpleasant things is stupid.

 

[HankHill]

He isn’t elite but he’s borderline top 10 in the nation. You can criticize his arm all you want but he put up numbers and threw an accurate ball. He certainly would start over the guys in our room if we have to bring in Joe Milton.

Borderine top 10 in terms of production sure but im taking about his actual Traits to play QB at a high level and he is lacking in those. The scheme that he has been in allow him to be that productive for example: the vast majority of their “shots downfield” are really just 1 on 1 fade balls and that’s because the structure of their formations force a single high coverage. He’s not driving the ball downfield on deep posts or outs things like that. But if you compare it to our offense under Chaney where he’s asking our QBs to throw 2 high or quarters beaters concepts over and over again those are much tougher throws.

Point being i don’t really care who starts at QB Bc whoever it is will end up looking better than they ever have Bc of what they are asked to do within the framework of Heupel’s offense and that is usually only reading half the field, reading a single defender on a 2nd level RPO, and/or throwing up a fade route on an isolated 1 on 1.

 

[butchna]

Sorry if this is Jimmying a day later, but seems to be quite a bit of chatter he will transfer, especially on 247. Hope not. Think he has unfilled potential and fans (maybe coaches?) just need patience.

Or maybe he just isn't a fit...idk.

Consider the source of the “chatter”. Buncha yentas posing as knowledgeable.

 

[Devo182]

How was he rated so highly if he still needs to work on his mechanics??

Plenty of top 100 type kids have a lot of work to do...and Bailey was ranked exactly #100. That might as well be the definition of such a kid...talented but plenty of work to do. Just look at Salter. He was ranked comfortably ahead of Bailey and has a ton of work to doein the midrange game.

Recent recruits ranked above HB - Crompton, Bray, JG. Ainge just behind him. Dobbs a bit further back. Who of those guys in his range, outside of Bray, killed it from the jump?