Recruiting Forum Football Talk XVIII

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Lol A&M is a no go. To me Auburn and UGA are equal at best. I could see the argument for UGA I just don't believe that argument.
 
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It helps highlight how much Richt has underperformed.

Bama, Florida, and LSU have all won multiple national titles in the last 12 years. And Auburn has one (almost two).

Richt hasn't even played for one.
 
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even if you take A&M out of it, hard to argue against the others being top 5, no matter what order you want to put them and we are right there after those. When we start beating those others consistently then maybe we can make a case for being higher.
 
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Looks correct to me. We simply don't have the hotbed of talent in Tennessee like the others do. It'll always be a bit harder for us.
 
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volssam said:
Tennessee ranked # 7 coaching job in the SEC

Behind:

Bama
Florida
Georgia
LSU
A&M
Auburn

@Josh_Ward: Alabama is the top football job in the SEC, according to an @AthlonSports poll. See 1-14 here: Ranking the SEC's Football Coaching Jobs in 2015 (Expert Poll) | AthlonSports.com
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Florida should be ahead of Alabama imo.

It's funny how these lists fluctuate depending on how the teams are doing at the moment. Tennessee was considered a top 3 SEC job until the mid 2000's and that was when TN high school talent was crap compared to what it is now.

Alabama wasn't viewed nearly as good as it is now back when the three Mike's were running the circus. In fact, I remember when pre-Saban Alabama was down and people said they would never be back because they don't produce enough instate talent, Auburn was kicking their ass every year on and off the field and the fanbase had unrealistic expectations.

UT is a better job than A&M and Auburn without a doubt.
 
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Aesius said:
UF's version of GFW/Bob Mueller on their Rivals forum said their presumed starting RT Rod Johnson has spinal stenosis and his career is indeed likely over.
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MosDef/Hova? He's jumping the gun again.


Rod is seeing a specialist at UM and nothing will be decided until those test are done.
 
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ChismsHeadband said:
Yeah, I've been in the camp of not picking us to beat UF (or Mizzou) until we beat them, but I mean, 6 OL is pretty alarming.

And with the potential three-deep, definite two-deep we can throw at them.. they'll be looking like we did in 2013 at the Swamp. Grier or Treon will be getting buried all game.
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They will rarely throw anything but three step patterns. If we stop run and tackle well, we'll beat them solid.
 
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eazyTD said:
Florida should be ahead of Alabama imo.

It's funny how these lists fluctuate depending on how the teams are doing at the moment. Tennessee was considered a top 3 SEC job until the mid 2000's and that was when TN high school talent was crap compared to what it is now.

Alabama wasn't viewed nearly as good as it is now back when the three Mike's were running the circus. In fact, I remember when pre-Saban Alabama was down and people said they would never be back because they don't produce enough instate talent, Auburn was kicking their ass every year on and off the field and the fanbase had unrealistic expectations.

UT is a better job than A&M and Auburn without a doubt.
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Yeah, if you've been following football very long when you see lists like this it's like they're just throwing names out there in order of who's good now. LSU had 4 10 win seasons in the 20th century. Tennessee had 4 10 win seasons in the '90s.

In their defense, historical relevance doesn't necessarily tell you which is the best job now, but it does seem like it's hard to tell which schools have the best coaching job versus which schools have the best coach.
 
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Tier 1 (located in states overflowing with talent)
UF
UGA

Tier 2
Bama (Yankees of CFB but less in-state talent than UGA or UF)
LSU

Tier 3
UT
A&M
Auburn

Tier 4
Arkansas
South Carolina
Missouri

Tier 5
Ole Miss
Mississippi State


Tier 6
Kentucky
Vanderbilt

All teams from tier 3 and up can easily compete for the SEC/playoffs with the right coach and proper recruiting. Tier 4 schools can be very good but rarely get over the hump due to lack of elite talent. Tier 5 and below generally have 1-2 "good" seasons every 10 years.
 
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Aesius said:
Tier 1 (located in states overflowing with talent)
UF
UGA

Tier 2
Bama (Yankees of CFB but less in-state talent than UGA or UF)
LSU

Tier 3
UT
A&M
Auburn

Tier 4
Arkansas
South Carolina
Missouri

Tier 5
Ole Miss
Mississippi State


Tier 6
Kentucky
Vanderbilt

All teams from tier 3 and up can easily compete for the SEC/playoffs with the right coach and proper recruiting. Tier 4 schools can be very good but rarely get over the hump due to lack of elite talent. Tier 5 and below generally have 1-2 "good" seasons every 10 years.
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I agree with all of this, except tier 6. I'm not a fan of KY, but come on.........it's just rude to even put Vandy in the same category. KY can at least put more people in their stadium than the opposing team. That has to count for something. :)
 
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Idk if you can say UGA is a top job because of in-state talent but not LSU.

I think LSU is really well position from a recruiting standpoint. Louisiana is well stocked but it's right between Floroda and Texas.

I'd probably put Bama #1, UF #2, UT, LSU and UGA in the next tier.
 
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That poll is based on several factors, not just recruiting.

Support

Recruiting

Sustainability of success over a period of time

PRESSURE TO WIN
 
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volatil said:
That poll is based on several factors, not just recruiting.

Support

Recruiting

Sustainability of success over a period of time

PRESSURE TO WIN
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I would still rank mine the same way. All those teams, aside from UT and UF have had sustained success and both of those schools have shown it is possible.

Support and pressure tend to go hand-in-hand.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Idk if you can say UGA is a top job because of in-state talent but not LSU.

I think LSU is really well position from a recruiting standpoint. Louisiana is well stocked but it's right between Floroda and Texas.

I'd probably put Bama #1, UF #2, UT, LSU and UGA in the next tier.
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Louisiana is hit and miss on talent.

Here's their top 50 players from 2015:

https://rivals.yahoo.com/ucf/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3422

They are roughly equal with the state of Alabama and nowhere close to Georgia and Florida. Hell, Tennessee was comparable to in-state talent with Louisiana in 2015.
 
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Aesius said:
Louisiana is hit and miss on talent.

Here's their top 50 players from 2015:

https://rivals.yahoo.com/ucf/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3422

They are roughly equal with the state of Alabama and nowhere close to Georgia and Florida. Hell, Tennessee was comparable to in-state talent with Louisiana in 2015.
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That's interesting.. Pretty sure Gillespie is putting more looks into recruiting Louisiana than FL this year and next. Still will recruit FL, but a heavier influence in LA. Pretty sure I read that, but don't remember the article..
 
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74volz said:
That's interesting.. Pretty sure Gillespie is putting more looks into recruiting Louisiana than FL this year and next. Still will recruit FL, but a heavier influence in LA. Pretty sure I read that, but don't remember the article..
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I remember reading that as well.
 
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74volz said:
That's interesting.. Pretty sure Gillespie is putting more looks into recruiting Louisiana than FL this year and next. Still will recruit FL, but a heavier influence in LA. Pretty sure I read that, but don't remember the article..
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They have a nice advantage with in-state talent in that LA kids tend to be pretty loyal to LSU and a lot of them are actually from Baton Rouge.
 
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If I'm sorting SEC Coaching gigs into tiers.. The schools are in order, too.

1: Alabama, Florida, Auburn

History, recent championships, great college atmospheres, in-state talent. Auburn may be riding Bama's coattails, but they do get to claim the Iron Bowl, which has been one of the most exciting traditional rivalry games recently. And AL does crank out top-notch talent.

2: LSU, Georgia, Tennessee

Georgia doesn't have the recent titles like T1, but the fertile crootin' and stability in the AD's office helps. LSU is continually in it. Tennessee has the prestige, and we can still easily poach talent from GA, FL, and the Carolinas.

3. Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Mizzou, South Carolina

All of these teams have recent success and at least one of the following: a decent (at least) legacy), endowment, AD stability, or an expansive fan/alumni base.

4: Mississippi State, Kentucky, Vandy

These are the jobs that will always struggle within the SEC as we know it. Whether they're little brothers, basketball schools, or what, they'll continue to be stepping stones, even in arguably the best conference in the country. There's always going to be losers. These are them.
 
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UT comes in at #5 on teams that could win SEC. Only other eastern team is uga.

5 teams that could win SEC title in 2015


If we beat uga I think we'll be in ATL in Dec. uga plays bama in Athens, but they also are on the road vs aub and in Neyland. I think they'll lose to either ua or au or slip up like they did last year vs uf again to someone.

If that happens, and assuming we lose to bama, that still would give us a slip up game of our own vs say ark or mizz. We'd still win the east bc of head to head win vs uga.

Neyland will be rocking when the pups come to Knox and 119 wants some serious payback for the last two years vs uga. I'm calling it now, we'll beat them and win the east.
 
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247 showing no love in listing 9 who could challenge Dylan Moses for #1 ranking.

10 candidates to challenge for No. 1 in 2017

ATH, Deangelo Gibbs
Is he a wide receiver? A safety? A big cornerback? Gibbs is still developing into his future position but wherever he lands, he'll be one of the best in the country in that role. Industry experts expect the Peachtree Ridge standout to stay in state and eventually pick Georgia.
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QB, Hunter Johnson
Currently ranked as the top quarterback in the country for the 2017 class, Johnson has size, arm talent, the calm demeanor you want out of your quarterback and the respect of all of the top programs in the country. Every year the top quarterback has a shot at No. 1 and Johnson is the early leader in this class. The battle for his eventual commitment may come down to Notre Dame and Penn State.
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