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OGbabyaviVol said:
That was a realistic expectation before all of the injuries. In actuality it was still realistic even with all of the injuries, as the injuries are not what cost us two of our games. The thing That we never expected was to be as undisciplined and unfocused as we were the first eight games of the year.
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10-2 should have been where this team ended up even with the injuries.11-1 without them. No excuse losing to USCe
 
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I want the Vols to win big and send a message that we're coming for ATL, and I think we can do that-- but UK considers us their #1 SEC rival and knocking us out of the SECCG would make their season. I hope we'll start strong and never trail, but who knows? UK has two quality RBs-- and we have a beat-up, cobbled-together D-- so the Cats are capable of gashing us for big yards if we play sloppy and slow.
 
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BruinVol said:
10-2 should have been where this team ended up even with the injuries.11-1 without them. No excuse losing to USCe
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That's where I'm at too.

Our major injuries made the difference in the Texas AM game. Alabama would win regardless. As for South Carolina, we still out talent them easily, but we were out coached. If we lose one more Butch should be on the hot seat in 2017.
 
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BruinVol said:
10-2 should have been where this team ended up even with the injuries.11-1 without them. No excuse losing to USCe
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Agree completely. But even with the injuries, we still should be 11-1, if we had played disciplined and focused football all year. Something hasn't added up behind the scenes this year...I hope it was the cancers on the team that are no longer there, and not something else.
 
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Catbone said:
That's where I'm at too.

Our major injuries made the difference in the Texas AM game. Alabama would win regardless. As for South Carolina, we still out talent them easily, but we were out coached. If we lose one more Butch should be on the hot seat in 2017.
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Yep. A&M is a win with only one of Kirkland, Sutton or JRM playing


The flip side of that is if Hurd had played I doubt our offense would have been as good that day.
 
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Catbone said:
That's where I'm at too.

Our major injuries made the difference in the Texas AM game. Alabama would win regardless. As for South Carolina, we still out talent them easily, but we were out coached. If we lose one more Butch should be on the hot seat in 2017.
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Turnovers made the difference in the A&M game, not injuries.
 
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LA Vol said:
I want the Vols to win big and send a message that we're coming for ATL, and I think we can do that-- but UK considers us their #1 SEC rival and knocking us out of the SECCG would make their season. I hope we'll start strong and never trail, but who knows? UK has two quality RBs-- and we have a beat-up, cobbled-together D-- so the Cats are capable of gashing us for big yards if we play sloppy and slow.
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And this is why I'm concerned this game is a lot closer than we want it to be.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Agree completely. But even with the injuries, we still should be 11-1, if we had played disciplined and focused football all year. Something hasn't added up behind the scenes this year...I hope it was the cancers on the team that are no longer there, and not something else.
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Yep. Injuries didn't cause the aTm and SCAR losses. Going 11-1 with all the injuries and young guys stepping up would have been very encouraging. Instead, 9-3 brings up mixed feelings because the unfocused, sloppy play cost us two very winnable games. Getting to ATL will meet expectations and a nice bowl win will end the season on a good note, but we'll still be left wondering what happened?

I can't quite believe the slow starts, penalties and TOs were caused by a few bad apples-- it's generally a systemic issue. I don't understand it-- just hope they fix it!
 
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LA Vol said:
Yep. Injuries didn't cause the aTm and SCAR losses. Going 11-1 with all the injuries and young guys stepping up would have been very encouraging. Instead, 9-3 brings up mixed feelings because the unfocused, sloppy play cost us two very winnable games. Getting to ATL will meet expectations and a nice bowl win will end the season on a good note, but we'll still be left wondering what happened?

I can't quite believe the slow starts, penalties and TOs were caused by a few bad apples-- it's generally a systemic issue. I don't understand it-- just hope they fix it!
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We lost by one play at A&M. Hard for me to think Cam, JRM, or Kirkland wouldn't have made one play of a difference in a shootout. Injuries clearly lost that game and that isn't even looking at the OL injuries that day.
 
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BruinVol said:
We lost by one play at A&M. Hard for me to think Cam, JRM, or Kirkland wouldn't have made one play of a difference in a shootout. Injuries clearly lost that game and that isn't even looking at the OL injuries that day.
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Lol...no. 7...let me repeat...7 turnovers cost us the game. We overcame the injuries in that game. You shouldn't even be in the game on the road against a top 10 opponent in the SEC with 7 turnovers. We had a chance to win with all of that.
 
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BruinVol said:
We lost by one play at A&M. Hard for me to think Cam, JRM, or Kirkland wouldn't have made one play of a difference in a shootout. Injuries clearly lost that game and that isn't even looking at the OL injuries that day.
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IMO, you can't pin the aTm loss on injuries. We had 7 TOs and stormed back without Cam, JRM or Kirkland. We lost that game because our QB threw an INT on 1st down in 2OT when we only needed a FG to keep playing. Kamara was playing lights out and JKelly was having a great game. We had three more plays to run the ball and kick a FG if we couldn't score a TD. That was Dobbs' costliest mistake all season-- and injuries had nothing to do with it. We didn't even miss Hurd.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Lol...no. 7...let me repeat...7 turnovers cost us the game. We overcame the injuries in that game. You shouldn't even be in the game on the road against a top 10 opponent in the SEC with 7 turnovers. We had a chance to win with all of that.
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Agreed we could have won without 7TOs and would have had there not been injuries on defense. The TOs weren't a direct result of injuries but the poor defense play that day was and that is the point.
 
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LA Vol said:
IMO, you can't pin the aTm loss on injuries. We had 7 TOs and stormed back without Cam, JRM or Kirkland. We lost that game because our QB threw an INT on 1st down in 2OT when we only needed a FG to keep playing. Kamara was playing lights out and JKelly was having a great game. We had three more plays to run the ball and kick a FG if we couldn't score a TD. That was Dobbs' costliest mistake all season-- and injuries had nothing to do with it. We didn't even miss Hurd.
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Ok to me there are 2 reasons for losing that game

1) most importantly we had 7TOs

2) had we been healthy on defense we would have been able to overcome 7TOs.

So it's both
 
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LA Vol said:
IMO, you can't pin the aTm loss on injuries. We had 7 TOs and stormed back without Cam, JRM or Kirkland. We lost that game because our QB threw an INT on 1st down in 2OT when we only needed a FG to keep playing. Kamara was playing lights out and JKelly was having a great game. We had three more plays to run the ball and kick a FG if we couldn't score a TD. That was Dobbs' costliest mistake all season-- and injuries had nothing to do with it. We didn't even miss Hurd.
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I do think JRM and Cam would've been huge in that game. JRM at LB would be huge versus these running QBs. Sutton would've gotten a pick versus these guys. They aren't really careful with the ball. Those injuries were HUGE.
 
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BruinVol said:
Ok to me there are 2 reasons for losing that game

1) most importantly we had 7TOs

2) had we been healthy on defense we would have been able to overcome 7TOs.

So it's both
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We did overcome 7 TOs. We tied them and got to OT, despite the injuries and TOs. OT clears the slate. We were playing toe-to-toe with them until Dobbs threw the INT on 1st down, ending the game. The offense cost us that game in 2OT; defense was keeping us in it.
 
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LA Vol said:
We did overcome 7 TOs. We tied them and got to OT, despite the injuries. OT clears the slate. We were playing toe-to-toe with them until Dobbs threw the INT on 1st down, ending the game. The offense cost us that game in 2OT; defense was keeping us in it.
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Well with one play on defense we win in regulation so I don't see your point about OT.
 
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Soooooo a Pitt player is out after his pregnant girlfriend poured boiling water over his head. First wow, crazy chick, 2nd, how did this not happen to one of our guys just to round out every possible way to get a player injured?
 
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LA Vol said:
We did overcome 7 TOs. We tied them and got to OT, despite the injuries and TOs. OT clears the slate. We were playing toe-to-toe with them until Dobbs threw the INT on 1st down, ending the game. The offense cost us that game in 2OT; defense was keeping us in it.
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We overcame 6 turnovers according to your method... technically
 
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The Breakerboy said:
I do think JRM and Cam would've been huge in that game. JRM at LB would be huge versus these running QBs. Sutton would've gotten a pick versus these guys. They aren't really careful with the ball. Those injuries were HUGE.
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Well, sure-- JRM and Cam would have helped us in every game. We might not have had to go to OT against aTm with them on the field. But we got to OT with the D we had... and that D was making the plays to keep us in the game. You can't throw an INT on 1st down in OT when you have to have a FG. A SR QB can't make that mistake. Dobbs even said it was on him.
 
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