Recruiting Numbers

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Our Recruiting Numbers since 2010 according to Rivals.

Signed 1 - 5 Star

signed 40 - 4 Stars

48 - 3 Stars

8 - 2 stars

5 stars remaining - 0

4 - 24

3- 35

2 - 6
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
Our Recruiting Numbers since 2010 according to Rivals.

Signed 1 - 5 Star

signed 40 - 4 Stars

48 - 3 Stars

8 - 2 stars

5 stars remaining - 0

4 - 24

3- 35

2 - 6
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So if I'm reading this right almost half of the 4 and 5 stars we have signed since 2010 are gone?
 
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A closer look at key positions and their rating tells their story and of course departures.

DE,
DB
TE
DT
 
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Biopsyman said:
A closer look at key positions and their rating tells their story and of course departures.
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DE,
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0 4 star, but have only signed 3 4 star DE'S since 2010, 2 in 2010 class 1 in 2013

DB
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5 4stars

TE
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1 4 star

DT
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3 4 stars


Hardest hit position

WR 1-5* and 5-4*

Interesting Facts

we have signed only 2 4* LB"S since 2010

WE have only signed 3 4* RB'S since 2010 and only 2 remain on team.
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This helps explain our record the past few years. I believe those days are behind us. Also notice how many of our players have been in trouble with the law since Jones arrived (knock on wood)
 
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So around a 44% attrition rate with a hodge podge of kids without a true position in the new system?
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
Our Recruiting Numbers since 2010 according to Rivals.

Signed 1 - 5 Star

signed 40 - 4 Stars

48 - 3 Stars

8 - 2 stars

5 stars remaining - 0

4 - 24

3- 35

2 - 6
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32 plyers lost and 1 lost in 2013 class = 33 players lost!!!!!!!


not to mention there is bust in there that have stayed.

no wonder Butch keeps recuiting
 
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DaddyChad said:
It would be interesting to see what other programs have lost over the same period.
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Alabama
2010 signed 26 lost 9
2011 signed 22 lost 9
2012 signed 26 lost 4

Arkansas
2010 Signed 25 lost 14
2011 signed 30 lost 12
2012 signed 24 lost 5

Auburn
2010 signed 32 lost 16
2011 signed 24 lost 6
2012 signed 21 lost 5

Florida
2010 signed 28 lost 12
2011 signed 19 lost 9
2012 signed 23 lost 4

Georgia
2010 signed 19 lost 10
2011 signed 25 lost 6
2012 signed 19 lost 1

Kentucky
2010 signed 26 lost 11
2011 signed 24 lost 8
2012 signed 26 lost 8

LSU
2010 signed 27 lost 15
2011 signed 23 lost 6
2012 signed 21 lost 2

Ole Miss
2010 signed 24 lost 12
2011 signed 27 lost 15
2012 signed 18 lost 2

Miss St
2010 signed 26 lost 9
2011 signed 23 lost 8
2012 signed 28 lost 3

Missouri
2010 signed 23 lost 4
2011 signed 17 lost 4
2012 signed 19 lost 2

South Carolina
2010 signed 23 lost 10
2011 signed 32 lost 8
2012 signed 25 lost 3

Tennessee
2010 signed 28 lost 15
2011 signed 28 lost 8
2012 signed 22 lost 9

Texas A&M
2010 signed 24 lost 9
2011 signed 22 lost 6
2012 signed 19 lost 6

Vandy
2010 signed 24 lost 7
2011 signed 21 lost 6
2012 signed 22 lost 3
 
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DaddyChad said:
It would be interesting to see what other programs have lost over the same period.
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Here is a list of the star rankings of each SEC east team, after the spring game. So basically this is before the bulk of any 2013 recruiting class arrived on campus.

This list looks very close to what happens if you simply rank the teams by four years of recruiting rankings (meaning attrition has an effect, but it isn't as bad on the total roster as most would believe).
 

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daj2576 said:
Here is a list of the star rankings of each SEC east team, after the spring game. So basically this is before the bulk of any 2013 recruiting class arrived on campus.

This list looks very close to what happens if you simply rank the teams by four years of recruiting rankings (meaning attrition has an effect, but it isn't as bad on the total roster as most would believe).
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The only problem with that is we have 1 5* and 8 4* WRs in the 2010, 2011 and 2012 classes.

If those numbers were more evenly spread out across different position groups instead of just being WRs the situation would be different.

Your count is good for seeing overall talent, but there is a glaring lack of quality at DL/LB/DB in particular.

As I've said probably 1,000 times, in the time period where we brought in 9 highly ranked WRs we only brought in 4 total LBs and 2 were 4*. One of those 4* guys isn't active right now.

Give us 4 fewer 4* WRs and 4 more 4* LBs and I would be willing to be this defense is significantly better.... yet your "overall talent numbers" don't change at all.
 
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DC Vol said:
The only problem with that is we have 1 5* and 8 4* WRs in the 2010, 2011 and 2012 classes.

If those numbers were more evenly spread out across different position groups instead of just being WRs the situation would be different.

Your count is good for seeing overall talent, but there is a glaring lack of quality at DL/LB/DB in particular.

As I've said probably 1,000 times, in the time period where we brought in 9 highly ranked WRs we only brought in 4 total LBs and 2 were 4*. One of those 4* guys isn't active right now.

Give us 4 fewer 4* WRs and 4 more 4* LBs and I would be willing to be this defense is significantly better.... yet your "overall talent numbers" don't change at all.
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Good points.
 
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attached link has SEC attrition numbers going back to 2002.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...KPUbB7xBo/edit
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Looking at the numbers, there definitely seems to be some connection between high attrition and poor performance.

Over the past 4 years, here are the schools with the better attrition numbers: Bama, LSU, Georgia, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Missouri.

And here are the schools with the poorest numbers: Arkansas, Tennessee, and Florida. Tennessee's 2009 class seems to have some sort of record of futility with 79% attrition! Ole Miss also has had bad numbers in the recent past, but looks like attrition has dropped off significantly in past few years.

Alabama is definitely one of the more interesting teams in the data. Bama's 2005 and 2006 classes both had 50%+ attrition, while the 2004 and 2003 classes were around 45%. Once Saban came in, those numbers dropped significantly. For the 2010 and 2011 classes, there was only 27% attrition.

Of course, it is true that teams that win, have stability, and good culture are probably less likely to experience attrition.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Looking at the numbers, there definitely seems to be some connection between high attrition and poor performance.

Over the past 4 years, here are the schools with the better attrition numbers: Bama, LSU, Georgia, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Missouri.

And here are the schools with the poorest numbers: Arkansas, Tennessee, and Florida. Tennessee's 2009 class seems to have some sort of record of futility with 79% attrition! Ole Miss also has had bad numbers in the recent past, but looks like attrition has dropped off significantly in past few years.

Alabama is definitely one of the more interesting teams in the data. Bama's 2005 and 2006 classes both had 50%+ attrition, while the 2004 and 2003 classes were around 45%. Once Saban came in, those numbers dropped significantly. For the 2010 and 2011 classes, there was only 27% attrition.

Of course, it is true that teams that win, have stability, and good culture are probably less likely to experience attrition.
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Here is my cursory hypothesis on both Bama and Vandy, two of the more stable teams in recent years. Bama players stay longer because many have to in order to see playing time on such a deep roster. You have to play to raise your draft stock. Vandy, conversely, has few players who would get a look at getting drafted so the only choice is to stay and get a degree. I am over simplifying, but I think that might explain those patterns.
 
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daj2576 said:
Here is my cursory hypothesis on both Bama and Vandy, two of the more stable teams in recent years. Bama players stay longer because many have to in order to see playing time on such a deep roster. You have to play to raise your draft stock. Vandy, conversely, has few players who would get a look at getting drafted so the only choice is to stay and get a degree. I am over simplifying, but I think that might explain those patterns.
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I bet you're right on Vandy. If you sign up for Vanderbilt, you probably care as much (if not more) about academics as you do football.

With Bama, I'd wager it has more to do with the coaching staff, winning culture, and stability. If anything, it's more likely that attrition would be higher if guys were frustrated "waiting their turn."

I don't think this is a real shocker. If we looked at large corporations and attrition, we'd probably find that the best managed companies had lower attrition than the poorly managed ones. Even if you could go into a "poorly managed company" and have a better title, and higher-level responsibilities, you'd probably find that you had a lesser chance of success within a poorly run organization. Likewise, many of these Alabama guys are content "waiting their turn" because they are in a great system that has been proven to work.
 
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