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Has it ever occured to anyone here that with the pace of college and professional basketball games, refs do little more than react to what they see? Also, there is not enough time between games in the NCAA Tournament in which to retrain or re-educate refs in order to swing the balance to one team over another.

Most of what people believe to be lopsided officiating can be explained simply by the fact that on one end of the floor, one ref will be near the baseline watching the action under the basket, on the other end he will be near midcourt. If you have one ref who is a stickler for every last rule while the other is more relaxed, then you are going to have a much different foul situation existing between the two teams.

That said, STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE OFFICIATING AND TRYING TO ARGUE THAT THE TOURNEY IS RIGGED!
 
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I've always thought that basketball was the toughest game to officiate due to the speed and the fact that they probably have to hear more crap than any other sport because of how close the fans are.
 
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It definitely looks like a tough and thankless gig. Half the time while the refs are trying to watch the action a coach is screaming in their ear. Also, in basketball, almost every player is a slight nudge from having their fulcrum of balance thrown out of whack.

I think they do alright though.
 
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I rarely complain about basketball officiating. I know several people that have or continue to do it on the collegiate level. It is thankless and difficult.

However, I think that there are officiating issues in college athletics (and I really believe that it has gotten worse over the last 10 years), most of which could be solved by using some of the NCAA's money collected during the BCS and the Final Four to pay full time professional officials.

Some of the anticipitory whistles have gotten out of hand at the college level.
 
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When you have guys working 50-100 games in a season, they aren't all going to winners. There's a small push for refs to become salary and restrictions placed, but I don't think that could ever happen with the wide range of conference and their lack of money.
 
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therealUT said:
Has it ever occured to anyone here that with the pace of college and professional basketball games, refs do little more than react to what they see? Also, there is not enough time between games in the NCAA Tournament in which to retrain or re-educate refs in order to swing the balance to one team over another.

Most of what people believe to be lopsided officiating can be explained simply by the fact that on one end of the floor, one ref will be near the baseline watching the action under the basket, on the other end he will be near midcourt. If you have one ref who is a stickler for every last rule while the other is more relaxed, then you are going to have a much different foul situation existing between the two teams.

That said, STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE OFFICIATING AND TRYING TO ARGUE THAT THE TOURNEY IS RIGGED!
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i tend to try to give refs the benefit of the doubt, however, every so often there is a game like OSU/Memphis today. It was glaringly bad officiating for the entire second half. When a team is completely taken out of the game in the last 8+ minutes because of officiating, there is a problem.
 
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therealUT said:
Has it ever occured to anyone here that with the pace of college and professional basketball games, refs do little more than react to what they see? Also, there is not enough time between games in the NCAA Tournament in which to retrain or re-educate refs in order to swing the balance to one team over another.

Most of what people believe to be lopsided officiating can be explained simply by the fact that on one end of the floor, one ref will be near the baseline watching the action under the basket, on the other end he will be near midcourt. If you have one ref who is a stickler for every last rule while the other is more relaxed, then you are going to have a much different foul situation existing between the two teams.

That said, STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE OFFICIATING AND TRYING TO ARGUE THAT THE TOURNEY IS RIGGED!
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You are the man in my book "therealUT"

Even if you are 62....:eek:lol:

You are exactly right, it's easy for people who have never tried or have reffed to say they are biased and giving calls to the better teams, but in reality it is a lot harder than it looks...
 
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emainvol said:
i tend to try to give refs the benefit of the doubt, however, every so often there is a game like OSU/Memphis today. It was glaringly bad officiating for the entire second half. When a team is completely taken out of the game in the last 8+ minutes because of officiating, there is a problem.
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Agreed. Would someone check the record book and see when the last time a team made 18 straight free throws in the elite 8!!
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
You are the man in my book "therealUT"

Even if you are 62....:eek:lol:

You are exactly right, it's easy for people who have never tried or have reffed to say they are biased and giving calls to the better teams, but in reality it is a lot harder than it looks...
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The only officiating I can confidently say is rigged is the officiating that goes on at UTK intramurals.
 
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kptvol said:
The only officiating I can confidently say is rigged is the officiating that goes on at UTK intramurals.
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As someone who was ejected from a basketball semifinal and softball final at UT, it would be my opinion that it's an issue of incompetence, not dishonesty. When you have foreign exchange students who have seen about three basketball games in their lives officiating games, disaster ensues.
 
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hatvol96 said:
As someone who was ejected from a basketball semifinal and softball final at UT, it would be my opinion that it's an issue of incompetence, not dishonesty. When you have foreign exchange students who have seen about three basketball games in their lives officiating games, disaster ensues.
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That is also a problem. However, when you play a fraternity in a sporting event and one of their brothers is a referee, I have a hard time believing the officiating will be objective.
 
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hatvol96 said:
As someone who was ejected from a basketball semifinal and softball final at UT, it would be my opinion that it's an issue of incompetence, not dishonesty. When you have foreign exchange students who have seen about three basketball games in their lives officiating games, disaster ensues.
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How did you pull that off?
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
How did you pull that off?
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The basketball ejection came at the end of a game we were trailing by five. I missed a three and my buddy Dave went after the rebound and was called for a loose ball foul. He then called the female official a name that starts with the third letter of the alphabet and rhymes with stunt. The official asked what he said and I told her, adding that I agreed with his assessment. We were then both ejected. The softball ejection came when I asked the old, windbreaker wearing stooge who ran UT intramurals in the '90s to do things to himself that are anatomically impossible.
 
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hatvol96 said:
The basketball ejection came at the end of a game we were trailing by five. I missed a three and my buddy Dave went after the rebound and was called for a loose ball foul. He then called the female official a name that starts with the third letter of the alphabet and rhymes with stunt. The official asked what he said and I told her, adding that I agreed with his assessment. We were then both ejected. The softball ejection came when I asked the old, windbreaker wearing stooge who ran UT intramurals in the '90s to do things to himself that are anatomically impossible.
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I would expect nothing less...
 
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hatvol96 said:
The basketball ejection came at the end of a game we were trailing by five. I missed a three and my buddy Dave went after the rebound and was called for a loose ball foul. He then called the female official a name that starts with the third letter of the alphabet and rhymes with stunt. The official asked what he said and I told her, adding that I agreed with his assessment. We were then both ejected. The softball ejection came when I asked the old, windbreaker wearing stooge who ran UT intramurals in the '90s to do things to himself that are anatomically impossible.
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I had almost the exact same situation in intramural basketball at UT. Had a teammate get called for a questionable foul in a close game. He responded with "what the &^%$" and was immediately tee'd up. I was around mid court and yelled to him, "come on ______, you know you can't say &^%$".
 
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hatvol96 said:
The basketball ejection came at the end of a game we were trailing by five. I missed a three and my buddy Dave went after the rebound and was called for a loose ball foul. He then called the female official a name that starts with the third letter of the alphabet and rhymes with stunt. The official asked what he said and I told her, adding that I agreed with his assessment. We were then both ejected. The softball ejection came when I asked the old, windbreaker wearing stooge who ran UT intramurals in the '90s to do things to himself that are anatomically impossible.
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Well done.
 
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hatvol96 said:
As someone who was ejected from a basketball semifinal and softball final at UT, it would be my opinion that it's an issue of incompetence, not dishonesty. When you have foreign exchange students who have seen about three basketball games in their lives officiating games, disaster ensues.
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I've been kicked out of 2 flag football games. The first one, I blindsided a guy on an interception return.

The second time, I got tackled, got off the ground and walked back to the huddle. Apparently I took a swing at someone. Still don't know how that happened.
 
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hatvol96 said:
The basketball ejection came at the end of a game we were trailing by five. I missed a three and my buddy Dave went after the rebound and was called for a loose ball foul. He then called the female official a name that starts with the third letter of the alphabet and rhymes with stunt. The official asked what he said and I told her, adding that I agreed with his assessment. We were then both ejected. The softball ejection came when I asked the old, windbreaker wearing stooge who ran UT intramurals in the '90s to do things to himself that are anatomically impossible.
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Thank you
 
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justingroves said:
I've been kicked out of 2 flag football games. The first one, I blindsided a guy on an interception return.

The second time, I got tackled, got off the ground and walked back to the huddle. Apparently I took a swing at someone. Still don't know how that happened.
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I was ejected in a flag football game, too. A guy was talking trash and it really got under my skin. I informed him that you shouldn't talk trash in a non-contact sport, but he continued anyway. So, I layed him out. It was regrettable, but he had it coming.
 
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therealUT said:
I had almost the exact same situation in intramural basketball at UT. Had a teammate get called for a questionable foul in a close game. He responded with "what the &^%$" and was immediately tee'd up. I was around mid court and yelled to him, "come on ______, you know you can't say &^%$".
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I don't see the similarities in saying the F word out loud and calling a female ref a C*nt...
 
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I was ejected from a flag football game for spiking the ball on my one of my opponents. My argument was it was a lot better than punching him in the mouth.
 
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I was thrown from a coach pitch game for beaning my own nephew! It was an accident, I was just trying to brush him back!
 
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