Rep. John Dingell (D-MI), "...put the legislation together to control the people."

#5
#5
We know the democrats seek central government control of every aspect of our lives, their agenda makes that painfully obvious but it is a bit surprising that one of their useful idiots would come right out and say it.

You wouldn't expect that sort of arrogance even from a damned arrogant democrat.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology. Its importance has been...increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda. Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated."
Bertrand Russell
 
#9
#9
The US is the richest, yet most giving/charitable country in the world. Those clamoring for rich people to give up their wealth are just envious of the process it took them to obtain it. You want money, go to the library and educate yourself for free. If people actually found out you can learn as much in a public library as going to college, colleges wouldn't be near as plentiful as they are. Even trade schools would be far and few between.
 
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#10
The US is the richest, yet most giving/charitable country in the world. Those clamoring for rich people to give up their wealth are just envious of the process it took them to obtain it. You want money, go to the library and educate yourself for free. If people actually found out you can learn as much in a public library as going to college, colleges wouldn't be near as plentiful as they are. Even trade schools would be far and few between.

sounds like some of the silliness from a ridiculous Ben Affleck movie.
 
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#12
So, your in the company that people are too stupid to realize that you can get a free education at the library??

apparently, or maybe one that realizes reading books isn't the key to all knowledge either. Heck, I might even believe that college has more to offer than classroom education. It's crazy to think that the vast majority of education happens outside of books and tests, but I'm one of those stupid people who believe it true.

Let me know the next time Dewey Decimal reaches out and figures out how to challenge you or asks you to think critically.
 
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#13
Guided and structured education, like you receive in college, can not be duplicated on one's own in a public library.

Probably half of college students squander their education, and don't get the full effect from it. But the ones that put in the time and work and get the grades are definitely better off for it.

I don't think it's accurate to say public library education can substitute or supplant college or trade school education.


I certainly wouldn't want a doctor who studied up at the public library.
 
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#14
And when I think about it, the most educational experiences in college were not book or lecture based, but rather were in the form of projects and discussions.
 
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#15
apparently, or maybe one that realizes reading books isn't the key to all knowledge either. Heck, I might even believe that college has more to offer than classroom education. It's crazy to think that the vast majority of education happens outside of books and tests, but I'm one of those stupid people who believe it true.

Let me know the next time Dewey Decimal reaches out and figures out how to challenge you or asks you to think critically.

I'm in agreement with you, but I do believe that people who attend college and have crappy majors, could do the same things at home and spend 90-95% less money over those 4 years and still get the knowledge earlier, without all the hubbub. Now, if people want to experience college, which it's more of an experience than anything else, I could think of things that $40-50k would be better served to be used for, for the majority of young adults. I wish my wife would have taken that approach honestly, she could have spent 80% less than the $55k we are paying back, and come out with more certifications earlier and been making more money in the time it took her to go through school.
 
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#16
Guided and structured education, like you receive in college, can not be duplicated on one's own in a public library.

Probably half of college students squander their education, and don't get the full effect from it. But the ones that put in the time and work and get the grades are definitely better off for it.

I don't think it's accurate to say public library education can substitute or supplant college or trade school education.


I certainly wouldn't want a doctor who studied up at the public library.

Obviously there are jobs that would require a formal education, on the other hand, I've seen people come out of school with a bunch of debt and not much substance with what they learned.
 
#17
#17
Obviously there are jobs that would require a formal education, on the other hand, I've seen people come out of school with a bunch of debt and not much substance with what they learned.

Ya, I guess I have seen that too. You get out of it what you put into it, though. You can certainly just go there and have a lot of fun for four years without really learning anything.
 
#18
#18
Ya, I guess I have seen that too. You get out of it what you put into it, though. You can certainly just go there and have a lot of fun for four years without really learning anything.

still if you pick up a degree in those 4yrs of learning nothing you're way ahead of the guy who learned his trade at the public library.
 
#19
#19
still if you pick up a degree in those 4yrs of learning nothing you're way ahead of the guy who learned his trade at the public library.

It's funny, because a lot of people who come out of college don't even end up using their degrees for much. It's a very expensive piece of paper for a lot of people to hang on their walls.
 
#20
#20
It's funny, because a lot of people who come out of college don't even end up using their degrees for much. It's a very expensive piece of paper for a lot of people to hang on their walls.

like it or not that piece of paper still opens more doors than a library card
 
#21
#21
like it or not that piece of paper still opens more doors than a library card

More than anything, it says you are not a complete idiot, have some sort of work ethic, and are able to learn new things.
 
#22
#22
Probably half of college students squander their education, and don't get the full effect from it. But the ones that put in the time and work and get the grades are definitely better off for it.

I'm in the first half of which you speak of. Nothing I can do about it now
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#25
#25
The US is the richest, yet most giving/charitable country in the world. Those clamoring for rich people to give up their wealth are just envious of the process it took them to obtain it. You want money, go to the library and educate yourself for free. If people actually found out you can learn as much in a public library as going to college, colleges wouldn't be near as plentiful as they are. Even trade schools would be far and few between.

The whole deal is a sham and a scam, in reality after all the dust settles, spreading wealth and all that other crappola they talk about ends up putting an unbearable burden on the productive members of society and consolidates wealth and power among society's elite, while trapping some into never ending poverty.

So, your in the company that people are too stupid to realize that you can get a free education at the library??

"You go to college to get laid, for an education you go to a library."
Frank Zappa

Zappa had a PHD btw.

He certainly straightened Al Gore out before the US senate, so Al quit trying to regulate rock and roll lyrics and went to regulating CO2.

Zappa's testimony.

From page two:

The PMRC proposal is an ill-conceived piece of nonsense which fails to deliver any real benefits to children, infringes the civil liberties of people who are not children, and promises to keep the courts busy for years, dealing with the interpretational and enforcemental problems inherent in the proposal's design.

It is my understanding that, in law, First Amendment issues are decided with a preference for the least restrictive alternative. In this context, the PMRC's demands are the equivalent of treating dandruff by decapitation.

He's just getting warmed up there, he had people rolling in the aisles before it was over, there are several you-tube versions on the net, you can hear lots of laughter in the background.

No one has forced Mrs. Baker or Mrs. Gore to bring Prince or Sheena Easton into their homes. Thanks to the Constitution, they are free to buy other forms of music for their children. Apparently, they insist on purchasing the works of contemporary recording artists in order to support a personal illusion of aerobic sophistication.

Ladies, please be advised: The $8.98 purchase price does not entitle you to a kiss on the foot from the composer or performer in exchange for a spin on the family Victrola. Taken as a whole, the complete list of PMRC demands reads like an instruction manual for some sinister kind of "toilet training program" to house-break all composers and performers because of the lyrics of a few. Ladies, how dare you?

Read the whole thing, its a riot.

Tipper Gore was so publicly embarrassed that she kept her bisquit hole shut for years.

still if you pick up a degree in those 4yrs of learning nothing you're way ahead of the guy who learned his trade at the public library.

Bill Gates??

Another thing is that in many cases for the average person graduating high school, the one who learns a trade and begins to earn immediately often is ahead financially at age forty of one who earns a degree then spends years paying off student loans and some cases earns less over his life time than a skilled craftsman, especially if that craftsman goes into business for himself.

One thing that has been quite successful to many people is partnerships between two people, one who has the practical knowledge and one who has used higher education to learn engineering and business management knowledge for instance.

I could give lots of examples about which I have personal knowledge.

like it or not that piece of paper still opens more doors than a library card

If the lamb were slain before the foundation of the world, what does the sheepskin on your wall say??

Don't get me wrong, I am not anti-higher education and what you say is generally true but that is not always the case by far. One of the main reasons America is formost in the world in many fields is the benefit they get from higher education.

The downsides are that academia for the most part clings to socialism as it's model for governance and all the social engineering that goes on, including promoting all the dogmas of political correctness.

More than anything, it says you are not a complete idiot,

Pardon me while I

:eek:lol:

A college degree is no guarantee of freedom from idiocy, it does indicate a high degree of the ability to follow instructions, which is a great quality desired in those looking for employees.
 

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