Retail Sales Rise .3 Percent in Surprising Increase

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ooh... .3 percent, wonder how many jobs that created (or saved)?
 
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Must be Obama's fault...

The Kenyan Muslim dictator that is taking away our fully automatic M4's with silencers...


The guvment isn't good for anything, we need Vaclav.
 
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Retail Sales fall: Obama's fault
Retail Sales stay the same: Wow Obama can't get anything done
Retail Sales rise by a lot: Well if Obama wasn't in office they would rise a lot more

Can't win. Funny thing is 4 years ago blaming the president was whining or being unpatriotic. Now that he's from the other party it's ok.
 
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Snakes on a Wii said:
Retail Sales fall: Obama's fault
Retail Sales stay the same: Wow Obama can't get anything done
Retail Sales rise by a lot: Well if Obama wasn't in office they would rise a lot more

Can't win. Funny thing is 4 years ago blaming the president was whining or being unpatriotic. Now that he's from the other party it's ok.
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The .3 growth doesn't equal "rising by a lot".
 
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what's the margin of error on that number? probably a lot higher than .3%. why don't we wait for some real economic growth before we start praising saint obama
 
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Snakes on a Wii said:
Retail Sales fall: Obama's fault
Retail Sales stay the same: Wow Obama can't get anything done
Retail Sales rise by a lot: Well if Obama wasn't in office they would rise a lot more

Can't win. Funny thing is 4 years ago blaming the president was whining or being unpatriotic. Now that he's from the other party it's ok.
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On the other extreme, here is the far left:
Retail Sales fall: Bush's Fault
Retail Sales stay the same: Wow, Bush really screwed things up. Obama is doing everything he can, but at least the decline has leveled.
Retail Sales rise by a lot: Thank god we're rid of Bush. This is proof that republican tax cuts and the free market hurt the economy and that democratic policy is the only solution to prosperity.

Now, we all know the world doesn't revolve around extremes. Here is what rational people think:
Retail Sales fall: This is what happens in economies. They are cyclical. It is very likely that rates may continue to fall until we hit bottom. Good thing is, this will force inefficient and unprofitable companies out and when all is said and done, we will have a more streamlined economy with lower average prices.
Retail Sales stay the same: Well, we have some evidence that we may have hit the trough of the downturn. I will wait and see what happens (now may be a good time for me to invest).
Retail Sales rise by a lot: This is a good sign that the economy may have finished its natural cycle and we are back on an upswing. At this point, I will be cautiously optimistic but stay slightly reserved as this may simply be the result of some temporary artificial boost in demand. But all-in-all, a good sign.
 
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Snakes on a Wii said:
Retail Sales fall: Obama's fault
Retail Sales stay the same: Wow Obama can't get anything done
Retail Sales rise by a lot: Well if Obama wasn't in office they would rise a lot more

Can't win. Funny thing is 4 years ago blaming the president was whining or being unpatriotic. Now that he's from the other party it's ok.
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For once I agree with you.:good!:

He can't win, and he has everything to do with that.
 
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paul1454 said:
On the other extreme, here is the far left:
Retail Sales fall: Bush's Fault
Retail Sales stay the same: Wow, Bush really screwed things up. Obama is doing everything he can, but at least the decline has leveled.
Retail Sales rise by a lot: Thank god we're rid of Bush. This is proof that republican tax cuts and the free market hurt the economy and that democratic policy is the only solution to prosperity.

Now, we all know the world doesn't revolve around extremes. Here is what rational people think:
Retail Sales fall: This is what happens in economies. They are cyclical. It is very likely that rates may continue to fall until we hit bottom. Good thing is, this will force inefficient and unprofitable companies out and when all is said and done, we will have a more streamlined economy with lower average prices.
Retail Sales stay the same: Well, we have some evidence that we may have hit the trough of the downturn. I will wait and see what happens (now may be a good time for me to invest).
Retail Sales rise by a lot: This is a good sign that the economy may have finished its natural cycle and we are back on an upswing. At this point, I will be cautiously optimistic but stay slightly reserved as this may simply be the result of some temporary artificial boost in demand. But all-in-all, a good sign.
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Oh I don't disagree. Just we don't get many far-left types here. You're going down a dangerous path with trying to be rational about politics, the two don't tend to mix very well, especially in debates.:good!:
 
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paul1454 said:
On the other extreme, here is the far left:
Retail Sales fall: Bush's Fault
Retail Sales stay the same: Wow, Bush really screwed things up. Obama is doing everything he can, but at least the decline has leveled.
Retail Sales rise by a lot: Thank god we're rid of Bush. This is proof that republican tax cuts and the free market hurt the economy and that democratic policy is the only solution to prosperity.

Now, we all know the world doesn't revolve around extremes. Here is what rational people think:
Retail Sales fall: This is what happens in economies. They are cyclical. It is very likely that rates may continue to fall until we hit bottom. Good thing is, this will force inefficient and unprofitable companies out and when all is said and done, we will have a more streamlined economy with lower average prices.
Retail Sales stay the same: Well, we have some evidence that we may have hit the trough of the downturn. I will wait and see what happens (now may be a good time for me to invest).
Retail Sales rise by a lot: This is a good sign that the economy may have finished its natural cycle and we are back on an upswing. At this point, I will be cautiously optimistic but stay slightly reserved as this may simply be the result of some temporary artificial boost in demand. But all-in-all, a good sign.
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Wrong. We are bailing out every major company that is going under. So we will be stuck with these trashy companies until the government (regardless of party) lets the free market run its course.
 
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droski said:
what's the margin of error on that number? probably a lot higher than .3%. why don't we wait for some real economic growth before we start praising saint obama
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Riiiiight....like if it was a huge spike you would be on here praising him. He won't get praise anyway on here. If it does rise, it is the ebb and flow of the economy, if it falls he is responsible, and if it stays the same he isn't doing anything.

Of course, if was a republican with tax cuts he would get all the credit for sales increases and GDP growth, with corresponding deficits overlooked.

Let's be really honest here, all these numbers can be spun anyway you want depending on your political persuasion. I certainly don't agree with what Obama is doing, especially fiscally, but let's not pretend to be the least bit objective when it comes to slamming and praising the current POTUS.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
Wrong. We are bailing out every major company that is going under. So we will be stuck with these trashy companies until the government (regardless of party) lets the free market run its course.
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Oh I agree. I was trying to speak in generalities regarding normal recessions.
 
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Snakes on a Wii said:
Retail Sales fall: Obama's fault
Retail Sales stay the same: Wow Obama can't get anything done
Retail Sales rise by a lot: Well if Obama wasn't in office they would rise a lot more

Can't win. Funny thing is 4 years ago blaming the president was whining or being unpatriotic. Now that he's from the other party it's ok.
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gtfo, the media bashed Bush on a daily basis as well as the citizens. it was perfectly ok, but poor poor obama, how dare someone criticize him
 
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Can you say: income tax returns?

Let's just see how long that increase in spending holds out.
 
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rjd970 said:
Riiiiight....like if it was a huge spike you would be on here praising him. He won't get praise anyway on here. If it does rise, it is the ebb and flow of the economy, if it falls he is responsible, and if it stays the same he isn't doing anything.

Of course, if was a republican with tax cuts he would get all the credit for sales increases and GDP growth, with corresponding deficits overlooked.

Let's be really honest here, all these numbers can be spun anyway you want depending on your political persuasion. I certainly don't agree with what Obama is doing, especially fiscally, but let's not pretend to be the least bit objective when it comes to slamming and praising the current POTUS.
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generally i'd agree, but hte average president doesn't spend $1 trillion to 'save jobs' and therefore i think the current economic numbers are up to interpretation.
 
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