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I've been reading several books on La Cosa Nostra lately. I am hoping that someone with legal expertise can explain the RICO laws to me. If I understand it right, the government can convict someone for a crime, even if they have already been acquitted of that crime. How can they do that without violating double jeopardy?
 
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I've been reading several books on La Cosa Nostra lately. I am hoping that someone with legal expertise can explain the RICO laws to me. If I understand it right, the government can convict someone for a crime, even if they have already been acquitted of that crime. How can they do that without violating double jeopardy?


I am not a RICO expert, and I do not know what specific acts or books you are referrencing, but that is not what RICO does. The RICO act was intended to be a tool the government has at its disposal to combat organized crime by stiffening penalties for "racketeering" offenses, identifying and penalizing organizations involved in ongoing criminal activities, and allowing the seizure of assets belonging to those organizations.

It has since been expanded to corporations and other groups not generally categorized as "organized crime."

It doesn't do anything to allow double jeopardy, which is prohibited by the 5th ammendment.

Again, I'm not a RICO expert, but if you can pose a more specific question, it might help to get you a more specific answer. In what situation do you think RICO allowed double jeopardy?
 
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In what situation do you think RICO allowed double jeopardy?
No specific incident. Just the way this is worded in the book I'm reading, Mob Star, The Story of John Gotti by Gene Mustain and Jerry Capeci. Following is from the text of the book, pages 146 and 147:

Defense attorneys say some RICO provisions are unfair, especially one permitting prosecutors, as part of a pattern of racketeering, to charge crimes for which a defendant has already been convicted and punished. This makes it possible, for instance, to convert two relatively minor violations into one serious RICO felony. Under RICO, a defendant may even be charged with a crime for which he has previously been acquitted, under a theory that committing the crime for the enterprise is considered a new crime.

Again, I don't know if this guy's info is accurate or not, but if this is the way RICO works, it doesnt seem right, unless they can prove jury tampering or something like that.
 
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OWB, the only way I can explain this would be to look at the L.A. cops who beat Rodney King. They were acquitted of agg. assault but then convicted of violating King's civil rights by assaulting him. Similarly, the organized criminal enterprise violates fundamanetal societal rights. I wish I knew more about this but it has been over a decade since I took crim. law and since that time my experience in the area consists of going to court with two people for traffic tickets. BTW, IMO it only pissed the judge off that someone showed up for traffic court with a lawyer.
 
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VH, I remember the case against those cops. I felt at the time (and still do) that double jeopardy was violated there. If not the letter of the constitution then certainly the spirit and intent of it. Same with any provision in RICO which allows the same type of thing.

Personally I don't care what they do to bring down the Mafia. Those guys are a bunch of cold blooded killers. My main concern is something that cotton echoed.
It has since been expanded to corporations and other groups not generally categorized as "organized crime."

The government always does this when they get an expansion of power. A law that was meant to take down the Mafia is being used against corporations and Lord knows who else.
 
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Keep in mind that RICO statutes were solely designed for organized crime and others in that category but have actually been used to prosecute pro-life demonstrators and similar groups. This is similar to the Patriot Act being used out of context to prosecute non-terrorists as well. Simple abuses of power by those in government who feel that if the law is there and loosely defined, use it in whatever means you can to get your guy.
 
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Defense attorneys say some RICO provisions are unfair, especially one permitting prosecutors, as part of a pattern of racketeering, to charge crimes for which a defendant has already been convicted and punished. This makes it possible, for instance, to convert two relatively minor violations into one serious RICO felony. Under RICO, a defendant may even be charged with a crime for which he has previously been acquitted, under a theory that committing the crime for the enterprise is considered a new crime.

OK, think of it this way. I run a coin laundry, and the feds allege that I am laundering money through it, and present at trial a list of 42 specific transactions which they believe are illegal. They try me for those 42 transactions, but I am acquitted.

6 months later, the government discovers that I run a multi-million dollar drug smuggling business with multiple distribution centers, a fleet of smuggling boats, trucks, warehouses, and many dealers and bodyguards on my payroll who help me with this operation. The profits from the operation are funnelled back through the coin laundry.

They can now charge me with running a criminal enterprise under RICO and include the laundry in those charges because it is a part of the enterprise, even though I was earlier acquitted on the individual charges. While they could not prove the charges that I was laundering money by themselves, they can include it under RICO to show how it was part of the criminal enterprise by washing my drug money.

I understand the complaint, but it is not quite "double jeopardy" as the mob attorney would have us believe.
 
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Keep in mind that RICO statutes were solely designed for organized crime and others in that category but have actually been used to prosecute pro-life demonstrators and similar groups. This is similar to the Patriot Act being used out of context to prosecute non-terrorists as well. Simple abuses of power by those in government who feel that if the law is there and loosely defined, use it in whatever means you can to get your guy.
The single largest continuing criminal enterprise in America is the United States government :)
 
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Who is there to compete with the government? Anyone who tries gets investigated, audited, or even worse.
 
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OK, think of it this way. I run a coin laundry, and the feds allege that I am laundering money through it, and present at trial a list of 42 specific transactions which they believe are illegal. They try me for those 42 transactions, but I am acquitted.

6 months later, the government discovers that I run a multi-million dollar drug smuggling business with multiple distribution centers, a fleet of smuggling boats, trucks, warehouses, and many dealers and bodyguards on my payroll who help me with this operation. The profits from the operation are funnelled back through the coin laundry.

They can now charge me with running a criminal enterprise under RICO and include the laundry in those charges because it is a part of the enterprise, even though I was earlier acquitted on the individual charges. While they could not prove the charges that I was laundering money by themselves, they can include it under RICO to show how it was part of the criminal enterprise by washing my drug money.

I understand the complaint, but it is not quite "double jeopardy" as the mob attorney would have us believe.
I see what you are saying, and I agree up to a point. It may not violate the letter of the Fifth Amendment, but I do think it violates the intent of the founders. They could conceivably keep bringing up those same 42 items again and again until they get a favorable ruling.

Like I said, I have no problem using something like this against the Mafia. But when the government starts using a law like this against companies or war protesters, then it is a serious problem.
 
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I see what you are saying, and I agree up to a point. It may not violate the letter of the Fifth Amendment, but I do think it violates the intent of the founders. They could conceivably keep bringing up those same 42 items again and again until they get a favorable ruling.

Only if they could show that those 42 incidents were part of different criminal enterprises. What I described is exactly what RICO was intended to do; take a series of events, connect them through a criminal enterprise, and the events become prosecutable through that connection where they were not as isolated incidents. The web of crime becomes a crime in itself.

Mob bosses were extremely difficult targets for prosecution before RICO. They didn't actually commit any robberies or murders or extortions, they didn't leave hard evidence that they ordered them, and any potential witnesses were reluctant or unreliable to connect them to the robberies or murders or extortions. Under RICO, their involvement in the organization becomes a crime, and it gives the government a tool to use to get the top dogs instead of just the foot soldiers.

Picture Michael Corleone (assuming they could never prove that little restaurant incident;) he is insulated from every crime his organization commits, and is therefore insulated from prosecution. However, if you can prove that his organization is a "criminal enterprise," and that he is part of it, he can be prosecuted even though the gov't can't show he ever pulled a trigger.

Like I said, I have no problem using something like this against the Mafia. But when the government starts using a law like this against companies or war protesters, then it is a serious problem.

The problem there becomes the fact that criminal organizations take on different forms, and not all of them look like cosa nostra. The mafia can, and has, started corporations to commit all sorts of crimes. Leaving the Italian connection, it is not hard to see where the executives at Enron (and the outside money managers who helped them with their tasks) could be considered by some to be a criminal enterpise engaged in defrauding employees, shareholders, and financial institutions, laundering money, and then conspiring to cover their illegal actions. I don't know the war protesters to which you are referring, but it is not difficult to see where some of the more radical protest groups such as the old Weathermen or today's Animal Liberation Front could certainly be considered by some to be criminal enterprises based on the number of criminal acts committed by their members in the name of the organizations.

I do not say all of that to imply that RICO is never abused or misapplied; all laws eventually are, and RICO, because of its specific purpose, is especially susceptible. But the ability to connect the dots is probably a necessity in today's age of sophisticated criminal organizations, and the difference between a criminal enterprise and a legitimate organization becomes foggy at the point of transition.
 

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