Right To Repair

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Rasputin_Vol

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I can't believe an engineer wrote this nonsense.

What the Right To Repair Movement Gets Wrong

But DIY maintenance is not for everybody or appropriate for every situation. Nor does it inevitably produce greater “caring.” Results vary. Quality can suffer. While a person’s self-esteem may rise with every home improvement they carry out, the value of their home may decline as a result (because of the quality of the DIY fixes). I favor a simple rule: encourage consumers to repair if they wish but not insist on self-repair under every circumstance, and leave the option that original makers of complex devices will repair them the best (Tesla owners, take heed!)
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Here’s a live example. Among my chief reasons for my loyalty to the iPhone is that Apple supplies updated software that protects me against viruses and security hacks; Apple even installs this software on my phone sometimes without my conscious assent, or awareness. If I had to assent explicitly to each iPhone software update, I would invariably fail to have the latest protection and then suffer the negative consequences. So I don’t want to be responsible for repairing or maintaining a phone that is inherently collective in nature. I am freer and happier when Apple does it.

I understand that ceding the repair to an impersonal System might seem to libertarians like a road to serfdom. But having the System in charge of repair probably makes sense for essential products and services.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Not much different than this situation...

Why The McDonalds Ice Cream Machine Doesn't Work
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I’m usually not a conspiracy theorist, but that seems pretty f’d up. We use mostly Taylor machines in our restaurants and never have any problems. In fact I don’t think that we’ve ever had to call Taylor to have them send a service tech out to look at one of our machines. Now part of that is that all of our Maintenance people are fully trained on how to repair the machines, but we still have very few problems with them.
 
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I've been following Right to Repair for quite a while now. Much of my information has come from Louis Rossman, a computer repair tech in New York who repairs significant amounts of Apple equipment. He also travels around the country speaking to state legislatures on behalf of Right to Repair.

Long story short, what companies are doing with contracts and supply chain controls is horribly anti-consumer.
 
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AshG said:
I've been following Right to Repair for quite a while now. Much of my information has come from Louis Rossman, a computer repair tech in New York who repairs significant amounts of Apple equipment. He also travels around the country speaking to state legislatures on behalf of Right to Repair.

Long story short, what companies are doing with contracts and supply chain controls is horribly anti-consumer.
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I agree. I would like to see Congress (yes this is not very libertarian of me) to make companies offer less restrictive options to the contracts and service plans.

Apply a 5-10% surcharge but dont have all the onerous requirements to buy/use products. Let people keep their privacy, allow them more freedom, right to repair whatever.

The reason I see the need for government involvement is even though there is no direct collaboration between companies there still arent options available. It's a "contract monopoly" so to speak.
 
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Maybe this thread went right over my head. In my life as far back as I can recall I have repaired things.
Bicycles, cars, engines, replaced engines. Installed roofs, built room additions, plumbing, electrical. Repaired computers, printers. Lift trucks. Ranges, washers, microwaves.
Watches, TVs, cell phones. You name it , I've probably worked on it.
Some out of necessity, some out of curiosity. I've never been afraid to tackle it.
If I had to wait on and pay a repair person everytime something broke I would go bonkers. Additionally I've used contractors/ service guys. Most only seem to care about the money.
Lastly someone mentioned cell phones.
Myself and my wife both have androids that were $199 each.
Our monthly total cell coverage for both is $47.00, no contract.
Calls, text, data....all the coverage we need. Never an issue.
 
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hog88 said:
Pure pandering to a segment he lost overwhelmingly while ignoring the rest of the population.
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Lol, Biden does something for a group he didn't need a few months into his term and your hot take is that he's pandering?

😂
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well what do you know...
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Terrible look for JD. I feel for the guys in the Midwest who are three hours from a dealer and have a tractor down because of a two dollar sensor(1 of a couple hundred), that you just so happen to need a computer to find.

Freight for oversized equipment is crazy, plus the loss of use. Having a combine down where you only have one is massive for the farmer.
 
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Zues1 said:
Maybe this thread went right over my head. In my life as far back as I can recall I have repaired things.
Bicycles, cars, engines, replaced engines. Installed roofs, built room additions, plumbing, electrical. Repaired computers, printers. Lift trucks. Ranges, washers, microwaves.
Watches, TVs, cell phones. You name it , I've probably worked on it.
Some out of necessity, some out of curiosity. I've never been afraid to tackle it.
If I had to wait on and pay a repair person everytime something broke I would go bonkers. Additionally I've used contractors/ service guys. Most only seem to care about the money.
Lastly someone mentioned cell phones.
Myself and my wife both have androids that were $199 each.
Our monthly total cell coverage for both is $47.00, no contract.
Calls, text, data....all the coverage we need. Never an issue.
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I've always repaired my own stuff, but due to large scale integration (especially in electronics - which seems to touch everything), there's a serious problem with repair parts and the operating theory that makes it possible to troubleshoot equipment. You might be able to open a sealed phone and replace a battery, but that's iffy and about all you could do. Manufacturers have made much stuff disposable because it's really not repairable. Obviously cars, trucks, tractors aren't the same as a cellphone, but you have to have schematics, wiring diagrams, and some operating information to even localize to a black box level.
 
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