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With all the McGuire talk, Cal is being left out of some of the discussion for HOF this year. Some feel that he will get the highest pct since Seaver.

Any thoughts?
 
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Isn't Gwynn in this class, too?

Kinda sucks for them two with the McGwire talk overshadowing their induction.
 
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jaybird_1981 said:
No but revolutionizing a position usually equates to hall status.
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He didn't revolutionize anything. Jeter, A Rod, et al would all played shortstop even if Ripken had stayed at third base. Just another example of people giving undue credit to Ripken because he was a "good guy." Yeah, a good guy who refused to stay in the same hotel as his teammates on the road. All of the Ripken worship makes me want to vomit.
 
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hatvol96 said:
He didn't revolutionize anything. Jeter, A Rod, et al would all played shortstop even if Ripken had stayed at third base. Just another example of people giving undue credit to Ripken because he was a "good guy." Yeah, a good guy who refused to stay in the same hotel as his teammates on the road. All of the Ripken worship makes me want to vomit.
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I don't like Ripken either but you are flat out wrong here. He was the dominant player at his position of his generation.
 
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jaybird_1981 said:
I don't like Ripken either but you are flat out wrong here. He was the dominant player at his position of his generation.
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No, he wasn't. When healthy, Barry Larkin was a much better all around player. Ripken couldn't hold a candle to Ozzie Smith defensively. The thing Ripken has going for him are oafs like George Will writing asinine paeans stating how Ripken is the embodiment of the American work ethic. His greatness is a figment of those writers' imaginations.
 
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hatvol96 said:
No, he wasn't. When healthy, Barry Larkin was a much better all around player. Ripken couldn't hold a candle to Ozzie Smith defensively. The thing Ripken has going for him are oafs like George Will writing asinine paeans stating how Ripken is the embodiment of the American work ethic. His greatness is a figment of those writers' imaginations.
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He had over 3,000 hits that is automatic right there. He won two MVP awards and has hit more home runs then anyone else at his position.
 
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jaybird_1981 said:
He had over 3,000 hits that is automatic right there. He won two MVP awards and has hit more home runs then anyone else at his position.
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3,000 hits-A statistic that has far more to do with longevity than it does greatness. What's his career batting average? Dale Murphy has two MVPs.
 
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hatvol96 said:
3,000 hits-A statistic that has far more to do with longevity than it does greatness. What's his career batting average? Dale Murphy has two MVPs.
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I just disagree, longevity in and of itself does not equal greatness however longevity with the right mix of results does.
 
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At what point is longevity in itself become great, Forget how long it took, there was only 7 - count em 7 players to hit both 3,000 hits and 400 HRs in history before Cal, Jr.
 
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JonWard said:
At what point is longevity in itself become great, Forget how long it took, there was only 7 - count em 7 players to hit both 3,000 hits and 400 HRs in history before Cal, Jr.
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To me, longevity in and of itself is never greatness. If you take the "forget how long it took" path, Pete Rose is a better hitter than Ty Cobb. That's asinine.
 
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Also, By Cal's 10th season, he OWNED all the offensive records by SS, and had the highest fielding pct ever, despite having the most chances.

I wouldn't call 10 years long. -- Even at that point, I believe he would have got into the hall.

After that he won another MVP, 2 more All-Star MVPs, and completed the streak

STREAK - (Streek) Noun - Definition of longevity becoming greatness.
 
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JonWard said:
Also, By Cal's 10th season, he OWNED all the offensive records by SS, and had the highest fielding pct ever, despite having the most chances.

I wouldn't call 10 years long. -- Even at that point, I believe he would have got into the hall.

After that he won another MVP, 2 more All-Star MVPs, and completed the streak

STREAK - (Streek) Noun - Definition of longevity becoming greatness.
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Showing up for work everyday doesn't mean you're great at your job. Find one person who thinks Ripken is a better defender than Ozzie Smith. That will mean you've found a sucker. Immediately begin to play cards with them.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Showing up for work everyday doesn't mean you're great at your job. Find one person who thinks Ripken is a better defender than Ozzie Smith. That will mean you've found a sucker. Immediately begin to play cards with them.
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If being a better defender than Ozzie Smith is required for admission into the HOF, it would be scarce indeed.
 
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JonWard said:
If being a better defender than Ozzie Smith is required for admission into the HOF, it would be scarce indeed.
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I'm not saying Ripken isn't a Hall of Famer. He in fact is. However, he's at the low end of that scale. People act as if he was a dominant player, he wasn't. He wasn't one of the best players of his era.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I'm not saying Ripken isn't a Hall of Famer. He in fact is. However, he's at the low end of that scale. People act as if he was a dominant player, he wasn't. He wasn't one of the best players of his era.
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that sums it all up right there. Larkin and Smith both were better than Ripken, but Ripken endured during such a downtime for baseball and helped bring it back and that wrote his ticket to the Hall. Ripken will get in, but he should never be mentioned in the breath of the greatest ever at anything other than staying healthy. The real problem is that the Hall of Fame is open to too many people. It should be more scarce.
 
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