Rivals Recruiting Rankings (4 years) vs. The Top 25

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First I want to say that I got this from a poster on TOS so I dont want to take any credit for the research done on this.

Alot of people sure seem to get upset about the state of recruiting, the stars and rankings of classes. Well the number do not always tell the story. Look at the BCS top 25 and their respective recruiting rankings over the last four years. Also check out the unranked teams at the bottom.

I am not sure the Rivals guys know as much as they would like you to think. Don't get me wrong I love having highly ranked classes, but this sure adds perspective.

BCS Ranking vs Rivals Recuiting Ranking

BCS Ranking Team 2010 2009 2008 2007 AVG Ranking
1 Auburn 4 19 20 7 12.5
2 Oregon 13 32 19 11 18.75
3 Boise 49 51 51 51 50.5
4 TCU 46 46 51 51 48.5
5 Mich St.30 17 47 43 34.25
6 Missor 21 40 25 33 29.75
7 Bama 5 1 1 10 4.25
8 Utah 32 44 51 51 44.5
9 OU 7 13 6 14 10
10 Wisc 51 43 41 34 42.25
11 Ohio St 25 3 4 15 11.75
12 LSU 6 2 11 4 5.75
13 Stan 26 20 50 51 36.75
14 Neb 22 28 30 13 23.25
15 Ariz 37 45 39 44 41.25
16 FSU 10 7 9 21 11.75
17 OK St 31 36 26 30 30.75
18 Iowa 42 51 51 28 43
19 Ark 51 16 36 31 33.5
20 S Car. 24 12 22 6 16
21 Miss St 38 25 44 39 36.5
22 Miami 16 15 5 19 13.75
23 Vir Tch 23 23 18 29 23.25
24 Nevada 51 51 51 51 51
25 Baylor 39 51 51 51 48

NR Florida 2 11 3 1 4.25
NR Texas 3 5 14 5 6.75
NR USC 1 4 8 2 3.75
NR Calif 11 42 34 22 27.25
NR Tenn 9 10 35 3 14.25
NR UCLA 8 14 13 8.75
NR Penn St 12 24 43 24 25.75
NR UGA 15 6 7 9 9.25
NR ND 14 21 2 8 11.25
NR Clemson 19 37 12 16 21
NR Mich 20 8 10 12 12.5

Discuss amoung yourselves Oh yeah if you see the ranking of 51 it means they were not ranked in the top 50 that particular year.
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1. Most of those teams don't play an SEC schedule.

2. Unusual schemes can be an equalizer. Dooley doesn't use an unusual scheme.

3. QBs can be a great equalizer. See Newton at Auburn; Mallett at Arkansas.

4. This season is mostly an anomaly over the last decade.

5. Let's see where it finishes up at season's end.
 
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Mack Brown wastes talent like none other.

Rich Rod should be doing better with lots of stud talent and an unusual scheme for the Big 10.

QB equalizer could also be used for Baylor.

Mallet and Newton could either have easily been TN players in just a slightly different world. Very different seasons for us.

This should be helpful in picking bowl games in that more talented teams usually win, but it will not work with a perfectly executed and different offense.

Boise State and Nevada will be hard to stop in a bowl this year. Despite all of that, if you gave Florida's defense to Arkansas offense, they would beat those non BCS squads like a drum.
 
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And thanks for reposting...

I think Rivals used to have more in person evaluations. I think the fact they are not looking at offer lists tells you a good deal about how crap their system is now.
 
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The last 7 National Champions have had at least one #1 ranked recruiting class. It isn't a coincidence.
 
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Bumi said:
The last 7 National Champions have had at least one #1 ranked recruiting class. It isn't a coincidence.
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Actually, that is the very definition of coincidence. Correlation does not imply causation.
 
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The bottom line is if we recruit the RIGHT players we should be competing again pretty soon.
Recruiting is now the "other" college football season. Rivals and Scout make a lot of money with their rankings. Sure the 5 star guys have all the apparent tools to be an immediate impact on a team but it doesn't take into account the intangibles (heart, desire, intelligence, character ect)
Fulmer landed some highly touted classes and still have 5-7 seasons. There is much more to the recruiting equasion than JUST the star ranking.
That said, when we are "reborn" I do expect to start getting 5 star guys again. Hopefulle Eric berrys and not Chris Donalds.
 
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spudvol said:
Actually, that is the very definition of coincidence. Correlation does not imply causation.
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It means that in a given year, the team with the #1 recruiting class brought in the most talent to their program out of any school in the country. It isn't coincidence.
 
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lylsmorr said:
It means that in a given year, the team with the #1 recruiting class brought in the most talent to their program out of any school in the country. It isn't coincidence.
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Take an intro logic class... This is about the second thing they'll teach you. Equating coincidence with causation is probably the most common error we make in thinking.

BUT, of course we all want the best players we can get...
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I'm so sick of seeing that #3 posted next to that 2007 class. There are what, 10 players, left from that class? That class and 2008 are doing the most damage right now.
 
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kohlrums said:
I'm so sick of seeing that #3 posted next to that 2007 class. There are what, 10 players, left from that class? That class and 2008 are doing the most damage right now.
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Totaly agree.

IMHO it's another nail in the coffin to the argument that class ranks matter. It's not how they are rated when they sign it's what they do once they are here!
 
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Whitewolf said:
Totaly agree.

IMHO it's another nail in the coffin to the argument that class ranks matter. It's not how they are rated when they sign it's what they do once they are here!
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Hear, hear.
Filling needs, getting them here, and coaching them up. That's what it's all about. Example: Demetrice Morley.
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If they re-ranked class according to defections our classes would be about
2007 - 30
2008- 40
2009 - 30
2010 - 15

I know everybody loses players but we have obviously lost more than most.
 
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dave956 said:
Take an intro logic class... This is about the second thing they'll teach you. Equating coincidence with causation is probably the most common error we make in thinking.

BUT, of course we all want the best players we can get...
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They teach you a ton of retarded, useless, drivel in college.

When an occurrence becomes repetitive due to an annually occurring event, it's a trend.

When I pull the trigger of a loaded gun, bullets fly. When I consistently haul in elite talent(#1 classes), I win games.
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
If they re-ranked class according to defections our classes would be about
2007 - 30
2008- 40
2009 - 30
2010 - 15

I know everybody loses players but we have obviously lost more than most.
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How many players from highly ranked 2007 class have left or been run off since PF was fired? He is not responsible for attrition that occurred after his firing. PF is responsible for poor 2008 class and the attrition from his classes before his departure, but that is not the reason the Vols are down to around 60-65 sch players this year. That is directly because of 3 coaches in 3 years, which is Hammy's fault for making terrible choice w Kiffin. Kiffin and Hammy are clearly the reason we are competing for celler in SEC.
 
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72 KPT VOL said:
How many players from highly ranked 2007 class have left or been run off since PF was fired? He is not responsible for attrition that occurred after his firing. PF is responsible for poor 2008 class and the attrition from his classes before his departure, but that is not the reason the Vols are down to around 60-65 sch players this year. That is directly because of 3 coaches in 3 years, which is Hammy's fault for making terrible choice w Kiffin. Kiffin and Hammy are clearly the reason we are competing for celler in SEC.
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He's not responsible for recruiting guys that can't play? Guys that other schools passed on because they weren't going to make grades and (big surprise) didn't? Guys that have character issues? Guys that won't go to class? Guys that won't give up drugs when they know they have to face drug tests?
 
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dave956 said:
Take an intro logic class... This is about the second thing they'll teach you. Equating coincidence with causation is probably the most common error we make in thinking.

BUT, of course we all want the best players we can get...
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I didn't pay attention in philosophy. When it happens that many times, I believe it has to be more than just a "correlation"
 
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lylsmorr said:
I didn't pay attention in philosophy. When it happens that many times, I believe it has to be more than just a "correlation"
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But even if it isn't mere correlation, you would have to ask what direction the causation is going. Maybe they're getting #1 recruiting classes because they've already shown to be national championship contenders. Or maybe they're national champions because they have #1 recruiting classes. Or maybe there's a common cause to both.
 
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Interesting stat from the OP.

Of the 6 (SEC) teams ranked their average recruiting ranking is 18.
 
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Incipient said:
But even if it isn't mere correlation, you would have to ask what direction the causation is going. Maybe they're getting #1 recruiting classes because they've already shown to be national championship contenders. Or maybe they're national champions because they have #1 recruiting classes. Or maybe there's a common cause to both.
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No, I think it's pretty clear that whatever cause/effect sequence we wish to exist is the one that must be in affect when we analyse a causal relationship.

Clearly there is no need for experimentation, or peer review, or any of that other useless drivel we learn in school. Just come up with a theory. Give it the eyeball test, and run with that. There are no other variables than our own wishes.
 
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Ravenheart said:
Hear, hear.
Filling needs, getting them here, and coaching them up. That's what it's all about. Example: Demetrice Morley.
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and keeping them in the program for 3+ years. Having more seniors starting than freshman is huge.
 
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