Romney: The Lesser of 2 Evils

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We've discussed this topic, but I don't know that we've had a thread about it. Just read this article, and felt it was appropriate for a conversation.

5 Reasons Why Conservatives Should Root Against Romney. Excerpts:

One: Smart folks are betting that the Supreme Court will outlaw the individual mandate but leave the rest of ObamaCare to Congress. Hence, one conservative argument for a Romney victory is that, combined with a GOP-controlled Congress, it’ll offer the last hope for repealing the law. But repeal is not an end in itself. The question is, can the GOP replace ObamaCare with sensible market-based reforms?

Two: Commentators like Michael Gerson maintain that precisely because Romney has been a serial flipper previously, he’ll be less likely to flop now on conservative issues. But Romney’s desperation to establish his street cred with the base is not a blessing when it comes to government spending.

Three: Both the left and the right, according to the polls, are troubled by the fact that America is becoming a land of crony capitalism. No doubt that’s why Romney has been mouthing clumsy platitudes about how “you’ve got to stop the spread of crony capitalism” and striking a brave pose against the auto bailout.

Four: If Romney wins this election, odds are he’ll automatically be the Republican nominee in 2016. Regardless of whether he wins then, this will effectively kill all prospects for putting a more serious Republican reformer (such as Wisconsin’s Rep. Paul Ryan) in the White House until 2020 or 2024. It might be far better to swallow hard and accept another Obama term to keep the path clear for a Republican more likely to deal with our fiscal and political dysfunction, rather than elect President Romney and block that possibility for another generation.

Five: The GOP is in a state of intellectual flux, illustrated perfectly by the ideological heterodoxy of its presidential field. Various strains representing different interests are fighting for the soul of the GOP: The neocons are duking it out with anti-war Paulistas. Social moderates are trying to wrest some space from pro-life religious conservatives. Deficits and debt worry everyone, but there is no consensus on entitlement reform. The GOP allegedly stands for the free market—but it has yet to figure out whether Bush’s financial bailout was right or wrong.

Better that the GOP remain in the political wilderness for another four years (and, hopefully, find itself) than have a Romney presidency prolong its intellectual and moral confusion.

5 Reasons Why Conservatives Should Root For a Romney Defeat - Reason.com
 
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We don't need a serious republican ever again. We need a libertarian or something similar bent on the preservation of America as opposed to those bent on preservation of party.
 
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Many Repulicans have been complaining of this since the start, which benefitted Santorum.

Yet there is still a guy in the race who might can get a brokered convention...
 
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Many Repulicans have been complaining of this since the start, which benefitted Santorum.

Yet there is still a guy in the race who might can get a brokered convention...

Now that is funny, right there. :eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol:
 
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Nothing says we can't have 2 one-term Presidents in a row...

Yeah, but it's pretty much written in stone that the incumbent wins his primary. So if Romney wins now, it's either Romney or a Democrat in 2016.
 
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The pattern we seem to be falling into is that any second term president is simultaneously a lame duck and an easy mark for criticism by the opposition. So, we go R,D,R,D,R,D, etc. The exception being someone who has such a big screw up or such a bad economy that there is enough momentum to get rid of them after one term, see e.g. Carter.

On the downbeat of those two terms (i.e. the end of year four) the opposition trots out someone harmless enough, and willing to gamble they can make a go of it. But they lose, and that's why the younger guys are holding back on tying themselves to Romney.

Heck, if you were Christie, or Jeb Bush, or Marco Rubio, wouldn't you want to be in a position two years from now to have your surrogates say you aren't "just another moderate," like McCain and Romney?
 
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Many Repulicans have been complaining of this since the start, which benefitted Santorum.

Yet there is still a guy in the race who might can get a brokered convention...

how much you willing to put on that being all confident?

what if you gave me $1 for every Romney delegate and I give you $5 for every Paul?
 
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We have got to get away from the two party system asap.

It will take just as much effort to get away with the two party system as it would to get away with the popular vote for POTUS; might as well work on the latter.
 
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It will take just as much effort to get away with the two party system as it would to get away with the popular vote for POTUS; might as well work on the latter.

A lot of effort, no doubt. I think the seeds have possibly been sewn though. Each party moving more and more away from the center might (cross my fingers) bring the beginning of the end of our two party system.

Just clarify to the latter part of your statement, you are not talking about the electoral college but rather return to the state legislatures voting for the POTUS, right?
 
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Just clarify to the latter part of your statement, you are not talking about the electoral college but rather return to the state legislatures voting for the POTUS, right?

The original Electoral College Electors were chosen by some mix of US Senators and Representatives, and the legislatures of the states. The US Federal Government was constructed to have only one body of officials that represented the people: the House of Representatives. US Senators are supposed to represent the State Legislatures; and, of course, the POTUS was simply supposed to sign into law and execute the legislation as efficiently as he saw fit.

Now, every body, minus the SCOTUS, is representative...and, well, broken.
 
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The original Electoral College Electors were chosen by some mix of US Senators and Representatives, and the legislatures of the states. The US Federal Government was constructed to have only one body of officials that represented the people: the House of Representatives. US Senators are supposed to represent the State Legislatures; and, of course, the POTUS was simply supposed to sign into law and execute the legislation as efficiently as he saw fit.

Now, every body, minus the SCOTUS, is representative...and, well, broken.

I agree. It would eliminate a lot of our problems fairly quickly. Our founding fathers were smart men. The further we stray from the government they set forth, the more dysfunctional we become.
 
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I agree. It would eliminate a lot of our problems fairly quickly. Our founding fathers were smart men. The further we stray from the government they set forth, the more dysfunctional we become.

Amen to that!

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