Rove's Leaving

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CSpindizzy

CSpindizzy

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What does this all mean?

-Which Dem comes forward first claiming 'victory for running him out of DC'?

-Who steps into some big shoes?

-Does it matter who steps into his shoes at this point?

-Is this the end for W? After defeats on SS reform and immigration, does it matter anymore if anything is left?

-Is Rove the new focus of hearings, subpeonas, etc. since he is now outside the scope of executive privilege?
 
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CSpindizzy said:
What does this all mean?
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Not nearly as much as some would have you believe. It's hard to believe that a Presidential adviser has lasted this long.
-Which Dem comes forward first claiming 'victory for running him out of DC'?
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I don't know, but I think the over under is about 30 seconds before somebody finds a microphone and calls this a victory for the Democratic congress.

-Who steps into some big shoes?

-Does it matter who steps into his shoes at this point?

-Is this the end for W? After defeats on SS reform and immigration, does it matter anymore if anything is left?
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I don't think it even matters at this point.

-Is Rove the new focus of hearings, subpeonas, etc. since he is now outside the scope of executive privilege?
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You'd better believe it. I'm sure John Conyers is licking his chops. There's going to be another executive privledge showdown.
 
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I've already seen liberal spin that is negative - they feel his leaving will allow the American public to forget how bad the WH is. :ermm:

You just can't make some people happy!
 
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I'm thinking he may be moving to other campaign activities or that it somehow gives cover on the Justice Dept. stuff.
 
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He's already hinted that he will distance himself from anyone running for President to help them distance themselves from Bush and to become their own man.

The Dems will need a devil going into 2008. Bush alone is just worthless and bad news in itself. The Dems need someone with a shadow still over him. They need a poster boy for fundraising as well. If Rove sticks to campaigning between now and November he's only going to hurt whoever he touches. I think he will try to lay as low as possible and enjoy the personal time until at least November of next year.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
He's already hinted that he will distance himself from anyone running for President to help them distance themselves from Bush and to become their own man.

The Dems will need a devil going into 2008. Bush alone is just worthless and bad news in itself. The Dems need someone with a shadow still over him. They need a poster boy for fundraising as well. If Rove sticks to campaigning between now and November he's only going to hurt whoever he touches. I think he will try to lay as low as possible and enjoy the personal time until at least November of next year.
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Makes sense - remove an irritant and deflect some negative attention.

I can't imagine him doing this if it opens him (and the WH) to more Congressional investigation stuff.
 
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There will be investigations even on January 20, 2009 and perhaps even after. Nothing that Rove or anyone else does would stop investigations. Rove could even literally fall on a sword or hang himself and there would be investigations against Cheney for a coverup.
 
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It is pretty typical for folks to jump ship around this time in a two-term presidency. He's off to make some money and avoid getting caught up in any more crap in this WH.
 
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TennTradition said:
It is pretty typical for folks to jump ship around this time in a two-term presidency. He's off to make some money and avoid getting caught up in any more crap in this WH.
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Nope. He will be a magnet for attention. He can run but he cannot hide. Just as Bill Clinton has been a focal point even years after he's left office, Rove will remain a constant target of the left. He's a great fundraising tool for the left. And the left will not let him leave that easily.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Nope. He will be a magnet for attention. He can run but he cannot hide. Just as Bill Clinton has been a focal point even years after he's left office, Rove will remain a constant target of the left. He's a great fundraising tool for the left. And the left will not let him leave that easily.
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It's interesting how political figures become caricatures through repeated stories --- Rove will always be viewed as evil by the left and his legend will grow.
 
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volinbham said:
It's interesting how political figures become caricatures through repeated stories --- Rove will always be viewed as evil by the left and his legend will grow.
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I'm a right moderate (probably more of a Libertarian) and honestly, I think the guy's a snake. What he did to McCain a few years back in the Carolina's was low down and dirty. I'm glad he's gone, looking forward to Bush and Cheney being gone but am scared shi'iteless about who the next prez will be from either side of the aisle. While he may not have much of a chance, I'm all over Ron Paul and will even write him in during the real election. Our choices otherwise are scary.
 
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BHAMVOLFAN said:
I'm a right moderate (probably more of a Libertarian) and honestly, I think the guy's a snake. What he did to McCain a few years back in the Carolina's was low down and dirty. I'm glad he's gone, looking forward to Bush and Cheney being gone but am scared shi'iteless about who the next prez will be from either side of the aisle. While he may not have much of a chance, I'm all over Ron Paul and will even write him in during the real election. Our choices otherwise are scary.
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I agree - I think Rove is a snake. My point is that the McCain type stories will be the ones repeated while stories about legit campaign tactics he employed (there have to be some) will be forgotten. He will become remembered as more of a snake than he probably is.

The same thing happens from the supporter side as well. Reagan has become almost God-like to some republicans but I remember him as a good-points/bad-points kinda president.

Finally, while I don't think RP is the guy for the job I agree our choices really suck.
 
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Rove is leaving on his own terms. This kind of thing is very common, particularly in a second term. I also heard that one of the chiefs of staff recently remarked that any WH official there beyond Labor Day needed to plan on staying through the actual end of Bush's term. So, if he was on the fence, that might have made up his mind for him.

As a left of center moderate, but Democrat in party affiliation, I of course agree that Rove is a snake. He played hard ball politics and I for one do believe that he played some role in the Plame incident. Rove and Chaney, to me, are both very cynical and manipulative people. Very vengeful and antagonistic.

But, to some degree, every administration needs an attack dog. And you have to admit he was effective in that role.
 
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Yes, it's common to see people leave around this time. But for the guy who pretty much has been with W since he first decided to run for Governor of TX, this is a little more than the typical end of term departure. Rove is not your typical advisor or cabinet secretary. He is Bush's braintrust. Besides Cheney, there is no other person who has as much power and influence in the White House.

You can be assured that everything Rove does is very calculated. Whether he is taking time off for family or getting ready for another job, this move was calculated at this time for a specific reason.
 
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The targets of opportunity are disappearing. I can already tell you folks that Hillary will be the nominee and she will be portrayed as a shrill, evil she-devil at every opportunity and her personality will support the portrayal. The R nominee will have gray hair and a grandfatherly demeanor. The wise, benevolent patriarch vs. the petulant prodigal. 4 more years folks.
 
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