Saban complains about BCS system

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Florida Gators' Will Muschamp to complaining Alabama Crimson Tide's Nick Saban -- Let's switch - ESPN

Saban said Sunday that is isn't fair that the Gators, fifth-ranked in the BCS, likely will play in the Sugar Bowl over the loser of the Southeastern Conference title game. No. 2 Alabama plays No. 3 Georgia for the SEC title Saturday, with the winner advancing to the BCS title game in Miami and the loser probably landing in the Capital One Bowl in Orlando.

"It's not really a great scenario," Saban said. "You play your way into the (SEC) championship game, which means you're the best team in your division. ... It doesn't seem quite right, but it is what it is. I don't really know what me commenting about it is going to do to change it. But I don't feel good about it."
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As much as I hate Bama and Saban, I've always respected him. I just lost some of that respect.

Let me get this straight little Nicky. You don't think it's "quite right" that Florida would play in a BCS bowl over a division winner?? In that case, it's not right at all that you played in a national championship last year, shmuck. You didn't win your division either, guess the SEC East champions should have been the one getting the rematch against LSU instead of you.

Seriously, what a whiny hypocrite. I just can't believe he'd even open his mouth about division winners deserving the nod for a BCS bowl after playing in the freaking National Championship without winning his division. :crazy:
 
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Looks more like the complaint is directed towards the fact/issue that whoever loses in the (extra week of play's) conference championship game pretty much is automatically relegated to a lower-tier bowl (like the Capital One, Cotton, outback, etc).


i.e. that the SEC championship game loser should receive that 2nd pick/#2 selection since it made the conference championship / that a good team shouldn't be punished because it had to play an extra, 13th game (while another team sits at home and is rewarded).

This looks less about "you should have to win your division to play in a big bowl" and more claims towards "a good team (like Alabama or UGA) having a great season shouldn't be punished (like this) because they had to play one more game some others didn't"


That all aside, 1) the quote's intentions are likely more self-serving (there's clearly some concern on his part with the fact that -with a loss in next week's conference championship game - Alabama would fall all the way from national title competition to Capital One Bowl)

and 2) the championship games/division-winning teams can (fairly often) be too fluid/varied to apply such a flat rule to the bowl selection process/order; there are plenty of years where you get a (lesser) division winner that has 1-2 teams clearly better than them on the other half of the conference
 
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The risk is worth the reward. I'd risk playing in a lesser bowl if it also gave me the opportunity to play in the National Championship. This is a scenario where you can't have your cake and eat it too. Most people would gladly accept this scenario with no complaints about it. So for him of all people to complain about it rubs me the wrong way. He's complaining about division winners being punished for playing in the conference championship but in the mean time, the rest of the country is punished for not playing in the SEC. He not only didn't win the conference but he didn't even win his division and he still has a national championship. That's about the most ridiculous scenario ever in terms of the system being fair. He should be the last person talking about what's right. Alabama had their chance against LSU and blew it, if the system was right, somebody else would have gotten a shot. They sat at home while LSU played in the SEC championship. What if LSU had lost? Does Bama become #1? Does LSU play Oklahoma State or Stanford? Does Bama play Oklahoma State or Stanford? I don't know how that would play out but Bama got to stay at home while LSU went out and played an extra game. I wouldn't doubt at all that Saban would claim Bama deserved a title shot over LSU if they had lost because the loss was more recent.

Maybe it's just me but I was kind of stunned that he of all people would be talking about how he disagrees with Florida getting a BCS bowl over the loser of the SEC championship.
 
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Seems like Saban is a bit worried about the Dawgs. Why else would you be out there lobbying like this already. When Saban speaks, the national media listens. Last year is a clear example of that.

UF has earned their right to play in a BCS bowl. They have the most impressive resume in the SEC. They were one fumble away from an undefeated season. I loved Muschamp's response to Saban on this matter.
 
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Yet he had no problem last year when his team could not win their own conference let alone their own division in their conference to play for the national championship.

The whole system makes very little sense but you can't just pick and choose what you disagree with because your own team has benefited.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Yet he had no problem last year when his team could not win their own conference let alone their own division in their conference to play for the national championship.

The whole system makes very little sense but you can't just pick and choose what you disagree with because your own team has benefited.
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The national media should be ripping Saban for that very same reason. But, it's almost as if the media is scared of Saban or Bama.
 
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UGA insider said:
The national media should be ripping Saban for that very same reason. But, it's almost as if the media is scared of Saban or Bama.
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Muschamp actually sounds like Saban in 03 when Saban again benefited by the BCS system when a one loss LSU got in over a one loss USC. If I remember correctly before the polls came out Saban said this is the system whoever gets in, gets in.

Bama and Saban have clearly benefited from the system.

I didn't think Bama deserved to be in it last year but that is kind of self-serving, at the end of the day I wouldn't want to see USC play Oregon, makes little sense, but it is what it is. Scrap the whole dam thing.
 
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Florida deserves a BCS bid and CWM gets a lot of respect for this season. Saban is a baby. You could cry about a lot of things. Last year, LSU beat Alabama, played an extra game while Alabama rested more and still got to the championship. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me and somebody will always find a reason to fuss about any system that's used.
 
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good grief. you're all ripping on him because he is denouncing the system that he actually benefited from? i'd have an issue if he was changing face, but if he's said this from the beginning, then why get bent all out of shape over this?
 
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In 2006, it was national title or bust for Florida.

Florida getting a bcs bid isn't what's wrong.

It's the big east, acc, and maybe (gulp) kent state getting a bcs bid that is what is wrong
 
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99gator said:
In 2006, it was national title or bust for Florida.

Florida getting a bcs bid isn't what's wrong.

It's the big east, acc, and maybe (gulp) kent state getting a bcs bid that is what is wrong
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Exactly. The bigger issue is that conferences are limited to 2 BCS teams, and champs from lesser conferences are guaranteed BCS spots over better teams.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
I have a real problem with the part in bold.
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They are putting 6 SEC teams in their top 10 BCS poll and telling 4 of them no thanks, while inviting lesser ranked BCS teams to the BCS party. And you have a problem with that?
 
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TXA&M07 said:
I have a real problem with the part in bold.
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The problem is he only pointed out the problem/s he sees that doesn't effect the standing of his team now or in the past ie last year.

The whole system makes zero sense and even the 4 team playoff makes little sense.

His complaining should have started last year or even prior to last year. Of course, this is a man who thinks it's complete wrong if these players were to get paid to play yet at the same time he is making $5 million off the backs of them.

It's not that he is wrong, he is just the wrong person to deliver the message.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Of course, this is a man who thinks it's complete wrong if these players were to get paid to play yet at the same time he is making $5 million off the backs of them.
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That's not entirely accurate. Saban supported Spurrier's player stipend proposal.
 
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bamawriter said:
That's not entirely accurate. Saban supported Spurrier's player stipend proposal.
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I heard him on the tube before the season as to players getting paid and he seemed down right against it. I can't disagree with what you said as I have not heard it. The last people that should be asked about players getting paid is the coaches, the schools, the NCAA, the conferences, etc.

To me the whole thing is a big racketing scheme including the pro sports leagues. As far as I am concern, DOJ needs to just shut all this crap down.

As far as Saban, I can't say I disagree with him but it just seems self-serving as he is not talking about his own team. Exactly why is his team or Georgia a shoe-in for the BCS game? I mean does think that is fair?
 
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mrredskin said:
good grief. you're all ripping on him because he is denouncing the system that he actually benefited from? i'd have an issue if he was changing face, but if he's said this from the beginning, then why get bent all out of shape over this?
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Because he didn't say squat last year when it allowed him to play for a national championship. Now that it might keep Bama out of a BCS bowl, he has something to say about it. He's a great coach but a giant douche. "I'm not leaving Miami" is another example of that.
 
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Because he didn't say squat last year when it allowed him to play for a national championship. Now that it might keep Bama out of a BCS bowl, he has something to say about it. He's a great coach but a giant douche. "I'm not leaving Miami" is another example of that.
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This.

If anything Florida has a better resume.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Yet he had no problem last year when his team could not win their own conference let alone their own division in their conference to play for the national championship.

The whole system makes very little sense but you can't just pick and choose what you disagree with because your own team has benefited.
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I just can't believe that it took until your post for anyone to point that out. His team got a pretty healthy reward for sitting on their crimson asses during the SEC title game last year.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Looks more like the complaint is directed towards the fact/issue that whoever loses in the (extra week of play's) conference championship game pretty much is automatically relegated to a lower-tier bowl (like the Capital One, Cotton, outback, etc).


i.e. that the SEC championship game loser should receive that 2nd pick/#2 selection since it made the conference championship / that a good team shouldn't be punished because it had to play an extra, 13th game (while another team sits at home and is rewarded).

This looks less about "you should have to win your division to play in a big bowl" and more claims towards "a good team (like Alabama or UGA) having a great season shouldn't be punished (like this) because they had to play one more game some others didn't"


That all aside, 1) the quote's intentions are likely more self-serving (there's clearly some concern on his part with the fact that -with a loss in next week's conference championship game - Alabama would fall all the way from national title competition to Capital One Bowl)

and 2) the championship games/division-winning teams can (fairly often) be too fluid/varied to apply such a flat rule to the bowl selection process/order; there are plenty of years where you get a (lesser) division winner that has 1-2 teams clearly better than them on the other half of the conference
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This.
 
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bamawriter said:
Exactly. The bigger issue is that conferences are limited to 2 BCS teams, and champs from lesser conferences are guaranteed BCS spots over better teams.
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Or they just need to cut it back down to 4 games with 8 teams...5 with 10's seemed to stretch it some years
 
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I don't feel florida should get in over georgia, if georgia loses seccg, since georgia did beat them head to head. Florida does have the better resume but can't overlook their only loss did come to georgia so I don't see how they could get the nod over georgia (should they lose).
 
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I remember UT getting screwed over BCS in 2001 for same thing. UF went ahead of us even though we beat them. Same with UGA if I remember right on them when they played Hawaii
 
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