Saban Outcoached

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volswin08

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by The Hat....discussion on the Sports Animal this AM...? Can't say that I disagree. :hi:
 
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Saban wasn't outcoached in that game - it's just that Les Miles had some good playcalls that caught Alabama off guard. But some of those plays would have caught any team off guard, no matter who was coaching.
 
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nickknx865 said:
Saban wasn't outcoached in that game - it's just that Les Miles had some good playcalls that caught Alabama off guard. But some of those plays would have caught any team off guard, no matter who was coaching.
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That's being out coached.
 
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JZVOL said:
That's being out coached.
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I never saw that as Les Miles outcoaching Saban. The game never came across as such. I thought both coaches were pretty decent in their playcalling there.

It's just that there's no coach in America that would tell his players to be aware of a reverse on a 4th and 1.
 
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nickknx865 said:
I never saw that as Les Miles outcoaching Saban. The game never came across as such. I thought both coaches were pretty decent in their playcalling there.

It's just that there's no coach in America that would tell his players to be aware of a reverse on a 4th and 1.
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Normally that would be true, but its Les Miles. He ran a fake field goal bounce pass earlier this year. If you aren't expecting something insane/stupid from Les Miles you aren't prepared. Saban was outcoached.
 
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Again, I don't think that's what happened.

On that 4th and 1, they lined up in the same formation that they used to beat UT on the toss play(except that it looked like the formation was flipped). Naturally, I'm assuming Saban was thinking they were going to run the toss. As any coach would, for that matter. I don't think LSU ran that play at anytime this year.

I don't think Saban did anything really dumb to tell me that he got outcoached. I just think that Les Miles got lucky. Again.
 
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mchandl7 said:
Normally that would be true, but its Les Miles. He ran a fake field goal bounce pass earlier this year. If you aren't expecting something insane/stupid from Les Miles you aren't prepared. Saban was outcoached.
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I agree with this.

However, it's hard to call sheer blind luck good coaching. Hell, he pulled two or three plays completely out of nowhere that had no rhyme or reasoning behind them.

It's controlled chaos.
 
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miles has never outcoached anyone. He out lucks people. I will say that he has 20 lb balls of steel.
 
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tri_vol said:
miles has never outcoached anyone. He out lucks people. I will say that he has 20 lb balls of steel.
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I used to agree, but sooner or later the luck runs out. I do agree with the big cahoonas though. But is that really mucho ballso or is he just plain dumb enough that it works....
 
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miles outcoached him. he's insane. if you have 4th and 1 in field goal range you kick it. he always goes for it because he knows that it totally goes against any play book. and it has to drive coaches insane. saban had to know he wouldn't do a normal run play. it would have been play action or a crazy reverse. but you can't really call that either because what idiot would not defend a one yard run. miles should win sec big brass balls coach of the year!!!
 
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nickknx865 said:
Again, I don't think that's what happened.

On that 4th and 1, they lined up in the same formation that they used to beat UT on the toss play(except that it looked like the formation was flipped). Naturally, I'm assuming Saban was thinking they were going to run the toss. As any coach would, for that matter. I don't think LSU ran that play at anytime this year.

I don't think Saban did anything really dumb to tell me that he got outcoached. I just think that Les Miles got lucky. Again.
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and many would say that running a play where the D had no idea what was coming and was completely fooled is pretty good coaching (especially at such a critical time in the game). In the long run I'd take Saban but on Saturday Les got him
 
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nickknx865 said:
I never saw that as Les Miles outcoaching Saban. The game never came across as such. I thought both coaches were pretty decent in their playcalling there.

It's just that there's no coach in America that would tell his players to be aware of a reverse on a 4th and 1.
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Good play calls that catch the other team off guard is out coaching the other coach.

As others have mentioned Miles does crazy stuff on 4th downs so you have to be ready for it. Did anyone really think Miles was going to run it up the gut on 4th down?
 
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i thought he would throw it to the endzone myself. we have a 6 year pattern to know that les is a bad clock manager but he is like A++ at trick plays at the weirdest time. I mean they always do a big trick play every big game. everytime. lmmao.
 
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In the long run, Miles couldn't beat anybody. On any single day, he could probably beat the Colts.
 
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I don't believe Saban got outcoached.... I do believe that a young secondary give up 2 big plays. The long touchdown and the long third down conversion with like 2 mins to go. The 4 and 1 was just a well executed play, I believe most defenses would bite on the toss. JMO
 
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Miles said today he eats the field grass before a big game. This guy is great, you can't get better entertainment than Les.
 
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I think Bama is playing a (Mike) Shula style offense, the O line doesn't have it this year, and the players aren't in it. I also credit LSU's players for their win.

As far as Les Miles is concerned (stop reading here if you are pure X's and O's):

When I was a kid of 9 or so I got the bright idea to steal one of my Dad's .357 bullets and make a rocket. I taped the lead, none of the casing, of the bullet to a pencil. My idea was to balance the pencil on a street sign, and shoot at the bullet with our bb guns until the bullet went off - the idea being the bullet would fire, and the pencil would take off like a rocket.

It worked pretty much how you'd imagine. First, we couldn't hit the bullet from the relative safety of the ditch we were were using as a berm, so we inched closer and closer trying to make the bullet fire.

When we finally achieved success, the bullet of course exploded with a deafening roar, with nothing left under the street sign but shards of pencil and pieces of tape.

No glorious pencil-rocket.

I received the worst belt-whipping of my young life shortly thereafter. My point is, I think if Les Miles tried this, the pencil would fly. :)
 
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http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/11/dont_keep_it_under_your_hat_le.html

It appears that some Bammers think he was outcoached.
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justingroves said:
It's controlled chaos.
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The key word there being "controlled."

One of my best friends from undergrad is at LSU for law so I pay attention to LSU football and I've been on the "Les Miles is insane" band wagon for awhile before. Seriously. Every week I wake up to watch another Tiger game, waiting for him to find a way to screw it up, and it seems like almost every week it doesn't happen. So I just keep coming back to the old adage of... if it's stupid but works, it's not stupid.

The fact is despite all his grass eating, fake field goal calling, reverse running, bounce passing eccentricities the man has got a 59-16 record at LSU, 2 SEC West Division Titles, an SEC Championship AND a National Championship.

Hard to argue with that. God knows I'd like to.
 
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I'm mot going to read every post on this thread.....
But...what is Les' record as a coach against top 25 teams???? at Ok St and LSU. Pretty darn good. He may be "different" , but he wins! That is the most important thing!!!

Les very seldom gets "out coached" by anybody!
 
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