Saban should have stuck with Hurts!!

[MikeVol44]

Very well said. Don’t know how anybody could argue with this, although I’m sure some knuckleheads in here will.

Well--we do agree on MOST things! I have always believed that to be true.

 

[DoyleMcOrange]

"have done anything" is what I said. Not making a roster. If that's the case, you are correct. Absolutely.

Well, Tennessee has also had more quarterbacks in the modern era to 'have done anything'. Unless I'm forgetting some great Alabama QB in the last 40 years that won titles and set dozens of records.

Peyton by himself accomplishes that.

The whole point of the conversation was 'why would any QB with his sights set on the NFL go to Alabama'.

And I think the point is valid. If you want to get a salary in the NFL, go to Tennessee over Alabama.

 

[Herman Hickman]

This wasn't a 35-7 lead on Oklahoma. This was Mississippi State and they are never going to catch you. You sit your injured asset (who can barely walk once the game ends) and get him to the Auburn game. You sit him because freak accidents like the one that has your starting quarterback out of the year take place in football.

Now they have a pissed off Auburn team on their hands who know they can make their season by ruining Alabama's season.

Nick Saban is the Coach K of college football. Great coach. But never accountable when things like this take place.

 

[DoyleMcOrange]

I can't blame Saban for playing his starter until halftime, no matter how hard I lie to myself that as coach I would have pulled him earlier.

My beef with Saban was drilling holes in Tua's bones so he could play against LSU. That was inexcusable.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Saban has had a boat load of talent to be successful at bummer. He is now experiencing the injury bug which didn't occur much for bummer when they won the natty's. Easy to coach when up twenty plus points a majority of the time. You can take up for him but yesterday he had a decision to make regarding tua and being up 28. That decision to not insert jones has bit him in the ass. Bet he regrets it now.

Take up for him? I don't hink my post was doing that. I'm saying he's quitting and it will be within two years or less. This Tua thing will take more of a toll than we now see.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Exactly. Namath and Stabler are the only two Bama qbs to make a name in NFL that I can recall. Anyone else?

Bart Star and then Freddie Kitchens (not an NFL starter).

 

[Jax_Vol]

This wasn't a 35-7 lead on Oklahoma. This was Mississippi State and they are never going to catch you. You sit your injured asset (who can barely walk once the game ends) and get him to the Auburn game. You sit him because freak accidents like the one that has your starting quarterback out of the year take place in football.

Now they have a pissed off Auburn team on their hands who know they can make their season by ruining Alabama's season.

Nick Saban is the Coach K of college football. Great coach. But never accountable when things like this take place.

Heard at church that Nick is already blaming Sark for this accident.

It is never never never wee little Nicky's fault.

If they had played all month, Mississippi State won't have scored 35 points.

 

[BeecherVol]

I can't blame Saban for playing his starter until halftime, no matter how hard I lie to myself that as coach I would have pulled him earlier.

My beef with Saban was drilling holes in Tua's bones so he could play against LSU. That was inexcusable.

So not only is Saban the greatest coach of this generation but hes also practices cutting edge medical procedures.

Who knew.

 

[livefaith]

Tua is the better QB. He may not be the runner that Hurts is, but he's head and shoulders better than Hurts in the passing game.
And it's really not even close. Hurts is nothing more than an good athlete playing QB...
Tua is a true QB.

Hurts had his chance to lead Alabama to a NC and lost to Clemson.
Tua had to replace him to start the 2nd half against UGA the next season because Hurts led Bama to score 0 points in the first half of the NC game.
It is true that Hurts did come in to relieve an injured/hurting Tua in the 2018 SEC Championship game to help Bama beat UGA.
But do any of you really think Hurts could've beaten that Clemson team last year??

Saban made the right call in going with Tua.
Saban is by no means a perfect FB coach--he does make mistakes.
But it's always the Saban-haters who come out from under the rocks looking for opportunities to criticize him.
The man has won 6 NCs--with two different SEC teams!
I'd say that buys him the benefit of the doubt...

I don't buy the "poor Jalen Hurts--Big bad Bama and Saban screwed him over" argument postulated here.

Dabo endured some of the same criticisms when he elevated Lawrence to starting QB over Bryant.

The fact that you have to take time to explain this (quite eloquently I must say) is a travesty in itself.

 

[DeepSpringsVol]

I cant say i agree with OP if youre trying this wide open offense Bama is running now with letting all those stud WR run wild in space. If the Ball control running game offense that has been the majority of Sabans tenure then yeah Hurts may have been better suited.

 

[DoyleMcOrange]

So not only is Saban the greatest coach of this generation but hes also practices cutting edge medical procedures.

It's this generation's version of giving someone a shot of cortisone in the knee and sending him back into the game.

It's barbaric.

 

[MyVolsDropped]

Never understood the irrational haters wanting JG to transfer at season's end. I don't see that happening. He's not a quitter. Nothing good would come from it if he did. Lots of QB options and plenty of competition there is exactly what we need. Coaches will play the best QB.. ..just like they have done for every game this year.

Who cares if he's not a quitter or if he is a quitter. Point is HE'S JUST NOT GOOD

The irrational ones are the people that can't see that after all these years of him sucking.

 

[BeecherVol]

It's this generation's version of giving someone a shot of cortisone in the knee and sending him back into the game.

It's barbaric.

What role does Tua and his family who along with Bama's medical staff and team Dr"s that went along with this idea play?

This isnt the movies where the kid got a needle to finish a game without his parents or Drs consent.

All of which has nothing to do with what happened yesterday.

 

[DoyleMcOrange]

What role does Tua and his family who along with Bama's medical staff and team Dr"s that went along with this idea play?

Most players back in the day agreed to take the cortisone shot and go back in. They were warriors. Yet we still blame the league and the coaches for the results.

Most players back in the day agreed to ignore their concussions and go back in. They were warriors. Yet we still blame the league and the coaches for the results.

So to me, it doesn't matter what Tua wanted. He's a warrior. Of COURSE he wanted to get back into action asap. What warrior wouldn't? But Saban should have protected him, should have told him he's not playing for 3-6 weeks until his ankle was healed.

But no. Just like the cortisone doctors of yore, just like those who ignored concussions, he refused to do what was best for his charge and drilled some holes in his bone (ffs! for a sprain!) and sent Tua back in.

Despicable in my view.

 

[bamawriter]

Most players back in the day agreed to take the cortisone shot and go back in. They were warriors. Yet we still blame the league and the coaches for the results.

Most players back in the day agreed to ignore their concussions and go back in. They were warriors. Yet we still blame the league and the coaches for the results.

So to me, it doesn't matter what Tua wanted. He's a warrior. Of COURSE he wanted to get back into action asap. What warrior wouldn't? But Saban should have protected him, should have told him he's not playing for 3-6 weeks until it was healed.

But no. Just like the cortisone doctors of yore, just like those who ignored concussions, he drilled some holes in his bone (ffs! for a sprain!) and sent Tua back in.

Despicable in my view.

Saban is not a doctor. Tua was cleared to play by some of the best ortho docs in the country, if not the world. If they hadn't given the okay, then Tua sits regardless of Saban's wishes.

 

[DoyleMcOrange]

Saban is not a doctor. Tua was cleared to play by some of the best ortho docs in the country, if not the world. They they hadn't given the okay, then Tua sits regardless of Saban's wishes.

None of the coaches who ignored ligament damage and allowed cortisone shots were doctors, either. And they were advised by some of the best docs in the country, if not the world

None of the coaches who ignored concussions and allowed the player to go back into the game to get injured further were doctors, either. And they were advised by some of the best docs in the country, if not the world

Like I said, I don't care about a coach not taking his starter out before halftime of a blowout. That's a ridiculous argument to fault Saban there.

But the LSU game? Drilling holes in Tua's bones for a high ankle sprain, just so you can still maybe win a nattie?

Despicable.

 

[BeecherVol]

Most players back in the day agreed to take the cortisone shot and go back in. They were warriors. Yet we still blame the league and the coaches for the results.

Most players back in the day agreed to ignore their concussions and go back in. They were warriors. Yet we still blame the league and the coaches for the results.

So to me, it doesn't matter what Tua wanted. He's a warrior. Saban should have protected him, should have told him he's not playing for 3-6 weeks until it was healed.

But no. Just like the cortisone doctors of yore, just like those who ignored concussions, he drilled some holes in his bone (ffs! for a sprain!) and sent Tua back in.

Despicable in my view.

Saban is not a DR and wouldnt have the first clue how long he needed to sit much less what was even wrong with him, without the input of the Drs and Tua himself.
It absolutely does matter what Tua, and his family want.

What you re describing is despicable. If it were true.
Pretending like Saban is the only person making decisions as to Tua's health is silly.

 

[bamawriter]

None of the coaches who who ignored ligament damage and allowed cortisone shots were doctors. None of the coaches who ignored concussions and allowed the player to go back into the game to get further injured were doctors.

You're not comparing apples-to-apples. Saban didn't push Tua back into a game without a doctor's approval, which is the comparison you are trying to draw.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Pro Teams should be very cautious with Tua. While talented, he is fragile and stays hurt. LSU and Oregon QBs much better Pro prospects.

Every Qb is a sitting duck and one play away from an injury. It is more circumstances than a Qb being fragile. Tua is about 6’1 220 lbs and just unlucky , not fragile.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

You think Tua's brother was not 5 star? LOL He starts, you do NOT want that family exposing how they ended up in Alabama being moved there from Hawaii.

I don't think young Tua will ever be the starting QB at Bama, I don't think he's anywhere close to being a starter now and is already getting recruited over.

 

[DoyleMcOrange]

You're not comparing apples-to-apples. Saban didn't push Tua back into a game without a doctor's approval, which is the comparison you are trying to draw.

Nope. Wrong.

Read my reply again. I am being very clear that cortisone shots and ignoring of concussion were all done with doctors' approvals.

 

[BeecherVol]

None of the coaches who ignored ligament damage and allowed cortisone shots were doctors, either.

None of the coaches who ignored concussions and allowed the player to go back into the game to get injured further were doctors, either.

Like I said, I don't care about a coach not taking his starter out before halftime of a blowout. That's a ridiculous argument.

But the LSU game? Drilling holes in his bones for a high ankle sprain, just so you can still maybe win a nattie?

Despicable.

So you re saying Tua didnt see a Dr after the ankle injury?

Did Saban force Tua to go to Mexico or a vet in Red Bay for the procedure?

 

[DoyleMcOrange]

So you re saying Tua didnt see a Dr after the ankle injury?

Obviously you're not even reading my posts, as I was very clearly disturbed by the fact that a doctor drilled holes in his bones for a damned ankle sprain.

It would kinda hard to let a doc do that without, you know, seeing a doctor.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

So Trevor Lawrence and all the other young players that play well should sit out 2 or 3 years before they play??? Do you want JG to start next year above Maurer and HB? Reminder, Maurer has been injured a couple times this year. Tua is a Junior.
Basketball use to have a rule that Freshman could not play varsity and maybe that was good thing. It gave the student time to adjust to college life, school, and building up their bodies.
Saban did give Tua most of his Freshman year to adjust and play behind Hurts until the very last game so he did not become a starter until his Sophmore year.
Bad injuries happen all the time in football.

Yes, I want the Sr veteran to start at QB over unproven young players who are NOT clearly better than the Sr. We don't know about Bailey. Not sure why you or anyone thinks Maurer is the best option at this time.

 

[DoyleMcOrange]

Not sure why you or anyone thinks Maurer is the best option at this time.

We've watched the games. The only advantage Jarette has over him is time in the film room and reps.

Next spring that advantage will be gone, and Jarette should be quickly passed over.