Saban should have stuck with Hurts!!

[BeecherVol]

Would Bama be a better team with Hurts ad the starter and Tua playing elsewhere? Any suggestion that Tua would have sat for 3 seasons is delusional.

Does Tua transfer after winning the NC but not the job the following spring?

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Would Bama be a better team with Hurts ad the starter and Tua playing elsewhere? Any suggestion that Tua would have sat for 3 seasons is delusional.

Thus the point I made earlier that today's entitled athlete insisting on playing as Fr is hurting the game. The whole argument is that I believe Tua would have developed just as well sitting on the bench behind Hurts and that Alabama would be in a much better position had they gone that route. You seem to think they were better off by going all in with Tua and I don't think they've proven that to be true.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

FR Hurts should have waited his turn behind RS FR Barnett.

Hurts was clearly the better player, read the op.

 

[DoyleMcOrange]

No. You said.

He didn't rehab his ankle. He hasn't had time.

You're acting like him doing a few exercises for the cameras is tantamount to rehabbing something.

Obviously you've never been through rehab, or you wouldn't write something so asinine.

I can't say that my written work is relevant to this discussion, since Doyle apparently writes for medical journals.

Well, you brought it up, not me. You with your arrogant "those of us who get paid to write" bs, or whatever it was.

Getting paid five bucks a blog is not real writing in my world.

 

[MemphisVol77]

I said it was the right move for that game at that time under those circumstances. I don't think Hurts should have lost his job over 1 bad half of play and I don't think the team should have changed their identity based on the play of Tua in that one half. Bottom line, Alabama is a weaker football team today without Hurts as they are with Tua. Is Tua's overall record even any better than Hurts?

Isn't it a reach to claim Hurts lost his job over

1 bad half of play

?

I thought AL's QB position was an open competition up until the first game of 2018?

The transfer portal has changed the game, particularly for QB's. I think Saban would be thrilled if he still had Hurts to plug in next week. I assure you Saban is no fan of the transfer portal. He would have blocked Hurts transfer if he could. In the 80's college football coaches may have only answered to god about transfers (and that was just a courtesy call), but that is a bygone era... Jalen Hurts transferring is solely on Hurts.

Sherrion Jones, Riley Ferguson, Quinten Dormady, & Nathan Peterman are all recent transfers who couldn't secure the starting QB position at UT and transferred to schools where they could play.

You don't seem to credit the players enough personal agency with their decision making in today's game.

I disagree with your philosophy of forcing underclassmen to sit, particularly with QB's anyways. I don't care to debate all the hypotheticals of what could/would have happened had Hurts won the starting QB job, if they'd be better off etc......
It's just AL.... Buck Fama!!!!!!

 

[bamawriter]

Does Tua transfer after winning the NC but not the job the following spring?

I'd have to assume.

 

[bamawriter]

Thus the point I made earlier that today's entitled athlete insisting on playing as Fr is hurting the game. The whole argument is that I believe Tua would have developed just as well sitting on the bench behind Hurts and that Alabama would be in a much better position had they gone that route. You seem to think they were better off by going all in with Tua and I don't think they've proven that to be true.

The evidence is two seasons of the beat offense in Alabama history. Somehow that "proves" that Bama would have been better off with Hurts starting.

There's mental gymnastics, and then there's whatever sport you're attemtping.

 

[BeecherVol]

He didn't rehab his ankle. He hasn't had time.

You're acting like him doing a few exercises for the cameras is tantamount to rehabbing something.

Obviously you've never been through rehab, or you wouldn't write something so asinine.



Well, you brought it up, not me. You with your arrogant "those of us who get paid to write" bs, or whatever it was.

Getting paid five bucks a blog is not real writing in my world.

Yeah.
I'm sure he took a 30 sec take for the story and said "is that good?" And then jumped on an Xbox after the cameras are off.

And I'm sure Bama's staff had him watching Forrest Gump during the 4 week layoff between games instead of the what they said he did during that time.

You know about as much about me as you do this.
Very little.

 

[scottvols69]

That's an interesting twist to the story. I didnt see the game.

Is there a link for comments that said Tua wanted out before that series?

I'm not sure him "thanking the team" on the previous drive is concrete evidence. That happens pretty often on most teams.

The lady who was on field reporting was talking before the series that Tua got hurt in, that Tua was already talking as if he was done and thanking the team as such. Thats a big part of the reason the announcers were so shocked that he came back for that series.

Of course that all got shuffled under the rug from the CBS announcers because the Mensa Saban can never do any wrong, it got spun that Tua needed to learn when to quit he shouldnt have "talked" saban into letting him back for that series. I'm sure there is a video of it somewhere...

Regardless he is a twat of a short little man.

 

[BeecherVol]

Hurts was clearly the better player, read the op.

I've read it. That was a shot at a previous discussion on FR QBs that need to develop before being thrown into the fire.

Is Tua still at Bama if Saban decides to make him "wait his turn"?

 

[bamawriter]

He didn't rehab his ankle. He hasn't had time....


Well, you brought it up, not me. You with your arrogant "those of us who get paid to write" bs, or whatever it was.

Getting paid five bucks a blog is not real writing in my world.

Once again, I didn't use my writing to reinforce any opinion in this thread. I needled you about something rather innocuous that seems to have unintentionally touched a nerve.

On the topic at hand, you continue to express medical opinions as if you know better than some of the most respected orthopaedists in the country. I'm certainly not doing that.

 

[BeecherVol]

The lady who was on field reporting was talking before the series that Tua got hurt in, that Tua was already talking as if he was done and thanking the team as such. Thats a big part of the reason the announcers were so shocked that he came back for that series.

Of course that all got shuffled under the rug from the CBS announcers because the Mensa Saban can never do any wrong, it got spun that Tua needed to learn when to quit he shouldnt have "talked" saban into letting him back for that series. I'm sure there is a video of it somewhere...

Regardless he is a twat of a short little man.

So it was at best speculation by a sideline reporter based on Tua's actions on the sideline

That's a little different than Tua telling Saban he didnt want to play anymore and Saban forcing him on the field. Which isnt physical possible for a guy that small.

 

[BeecherVol]

I'd have to assume.

At best Tua stays through his SO year if hes not on the field.

 

[scottvols69]

So it was at best speculation by a sideline reporter based on Tua's actions on the sideline

That's a little different than Tua telling Saban hes didnt want to play anymore and Saban forcing him on the field. Which isnt physical possible for a guy that small.

You should be a CBS announcer.

 

[BeecherVol]

You should be a CBS announcer.

Eh.

I'm right with you if Tua told Saban he didnt want to play anymore, especially for health reasons.

I'm not just big on taking what someone said and changing its meaning. Tua possible thinking he was done for the day and Tua not wanting to play anymore are 2 very different things.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

I've read it. That was a shot at a previous discussion on FR QBs that need to develop before being thrown into the fire.

Is Tua still at Bama if Saban decides to make him "wait his turn"?

Probably not, which is one of the main points, today's athlete, if they don't start kids think it's better to up and leave rather than earn their stripes and work their way up the ladder. I think Tua may have stayed, no way for you or I to really know. I've got no problems with younger guys playing but you had better get it right at the QB position. I think teams miss on this more than they succeed.

 

[BeecherVol]

Probably not, which is one of the main points, today's athlete, if they don't start kids think it's better to up and leave rather than earn their stripes and work their way up the ladder. I think Tua may have stayed, no way for you or I to really know. I've got no problems with younger guys playing but you had better get it right at the QB position. I think teams miss on this more than they succeed.

Which brings up an interesting point. Why didnt Hurts hang around and compete for the job that he did pretty well when he had it?
And no I dont believe for a second that Tua is still there 3 years removed from HS. Had Hurts not totally been inept against UGA and Tua not gotten the chance to bail them out, one of them was leaving after the next season even if Saban tried to keep both happy.

Claiming they missed by going with Tua is silly. It's not like Bama started struggling after Tua took the job. He saved a NC they were going to lose and is 23 - 2 since then. Hurts walked into a good situation at OU and has played well, but it's not like he has elevated OU to a different level.

 

[lexkyvol]

Are you sure about that? How familiar are you with Alabama's depth chart at QB?

you'll see

 

[MikeVol44]

None of the coaches who ignored ligament damage and allowed cortisone shots were doctors, either. And they were advised by some of the best docs in the country, if not the world

None of the coaches who ignored concussions and allowed the player to go back into the game to get injured further were doctors, either. And they were advised by some of the best docs in the country, if not the world

Like I said, I don't care about a coach not taking his starter out before halftime of a blowout. That's a ridiculous argument to fault Saban there.

But the LSU game? Drilling holes in Tua's bones for a high ankle sprain, just so you can still maybe win a nattie?

Despicable.

Alabama didn't need Tua. to even play against Miss. State....

But your argument about the surgery he had to help his high ankle sprain heal faster is just flat out ridiculous.

I had a high ankle sprain in the 2nd game of my Senior year.
If that surgery was available back in 1982--you better believe that I would've had it without thinking twice about it to improve my chances of healing faster.
My ankle wasn't back to 100% until after baseball season in the spring of '83. That surgery would've helped me heal much faster if available.

I really don't see why you're so upset about it. Advances in surgical techniques and medical care are wonderful things.
I had surgery to repair cartilage damage to my right kneecap on a Friday in 2009 and was back to work the next Tuesday.
No way that would've been possible back in 1982.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Which brings up an interesting point. Why didnt Hurts hang around and compete for the job that he did pretty well when he had it?
And no I dont believe for a second that Tua is still there 3 years removed from HS. Had Hurts not totally been inept against UGA and Tua not gotten the chance to bail them out, one of them was leaving after the next season even if Saban tried to keep both happy.

Claiming they missed by going with Tua is silly. It's not like Bama started struggling after Tua took the job. He saved a NC they were going to lose and is 23 - 2 since then. Hurts walked into a good situation at OU and has played well, but it's not like he has elevated OU to a different level.

Hurts is playing for a championship, Alabama is hoping some teams lose and they beat Auburn right now. Alabama has lost their identity as well, I just don't think it was worth it is all.

 

[DoyleMcOrange]

during the 4 week layoff between games.

20 days. Not four weeks. Not even three weeks. It was 20 days between waking up on Sunday morning after the UT game and starting against LSU.

I guess you're lying because you know you're wrong.

Once again, I didn't use my writing to reinforce any opinion in this thread.

No, you used your writing to try to be an arrogant a** and slam me for my sentence structure. So I then used my writing to show that you used improper sentence structure during your slam of my sentence structure. Oh, and you misspelled a word, Gump.

You started the grammar-nazi BS. I simply showed the world that you have no chops.

Begone, blog-boy. You're not impressing anyone. Go find another five-dollar 'article' to write.

 

[bamawriter]

20 days. Not four weeks. Not even three weeks. It was 20 days between waking up on Sunday morning after the UT game and starting against LSU.

I guess you're lying because you know you're wrong.



No, you used your writing to try to be an arrogant a** and slam me for my sentence structure. So I then used my writing to show that you used improper sentence structure during your slam of my sentence structure. Oh, and you misspelled a word, Gump.

You started the grammar-nazi BS. I simply showed the world that you have no chops.

Begone, blog-boy. You're not impressing anyone. Go find another five-dollar 'article' to write.

No, what you did was get bent out of shape (multiple times) over something innocuous and lob personal insults (multiple times) rather than answer a simple question (multiple times).

I'd suggest that you keep avoiding the question because you don't like the answer.

 

[bamawriter]

Hurts is playing for a championship, Alabama is hoping some teams lose and they beat Auburn right now. Alabama has lost their identity as well, I just don't think it was worth it is all.

As opposed to what? You talk about "identity" as if Bama hasn't been running this offense since 2014.

 

[BeecherVol]

20 days. Not four weeks. Not even three weeks. It was 20 days between waking up on Sunday morning after the UT game and starting against LSU.

I guess you're lying because you know you're wrong.
.

You do realize the link and video you used to destroy your own point didnt involve a UT or LSU game.

I guess that one was less "barbaric" (lol) being he got an extra week.

 

[beamerman]

Bart Star and then Freddie Kitchens (not an NFL starter).

Thank you, Starr was before my time and I remember Kitchens at Bama but didn’t as an NFL qb. Bama really hasn’t been an NFL qb factory has it? Stanford has had more great NFL qbs than Bama, Plunkett, Elway and Luck. If you are a world class qb now would you go to Bama or Oklahoma? I pick Oklahoma for my son.