Saban should have stuck with Hurts!!

[bamawriter]

Thank you, Starr was before my time and I remember Kitchens at Bama but didn’t as an NFL qb. Bama really hasn’t been an NFL qb factory has it? Stanford has had more great NFL qbs than Bama, Plunkett, Elway and Luck. If you are a world class qb now would you go to Bama or Oklahoma? I pick Oklahoma for my son.

You should base it on the coaching staff as opposed to the school. Oklahoma would still be a good choice because of Riley, but that doesn't mean that OU would inevitably keep churning out great QBs if Riley left.

It's the same reason that Eli Manning chose Ole Miss rather than follow Peyton at UT: Archie wanted him coached by Cutcliffe.

 

[BeecherVol]

Hurts is playing for a championship, Alabama is hoping some teams lose and they beat Auburn right now. Alabama has lost their identity as well, I just don't think it was worth it is all.

The same championship they ve won 4 years straight with 2 other QBs? Yes. Like I've said, he hasnt elevated them to anything they were not already. He just left for a vacant position because he couldnt keep the one he had. Which has a bit of irony to it.

Dont look now but OU isnt a lock for the playoff either after losing to a KSU team that's 6 - 4. So they are needing some help and relying on hope as well.

 

[IPleadInsanity]

Tua is injured because Tua plays every play like its life or death. Why is he scrambling full speed with 2 defenders on him? just throw it away or slide down your up by 4 TD's and its not even halftime. Situational awareness is not his a part of his game. If I had a canon like that I would never let it exit the pocket.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I have always felt Saban put too much stock in Tua and abandoned the big physical tough persona Alabama has been known for. Also by keeping Tua over the veteran, once Hurts left, Alabama was left with nothing as a backup behind Tua. They go into next season with a huge question mark at QB and WR, and defense after losing 8 early draft picks. Had they kept and played Hurts through this season Tua would then start his RS JR and Sr years, he still would have been great and he would have likely avoided the injuries he's suffered. I bet Saban wishes he had a healthy Sr leader in Hurts right now.

Vols situation with JG and everyone wanting the young guys to play now is very similar to what Alabama was going through with Hurts and Tua. I think it would be suicide to run JG off and put our faith in the young unproven QBs. Senior leadership with lots of snaps under your belt will always be your best bet to win unless the talent is clearly different and the younger player is on a different level than everyone else. QB room will be a plus if CJP can get them all to stay as well as add Bailey.

This years basketball team is fun to watch, looks like a tournament team to me!

Bama’s Defense is the problem, not the offense. Losing Dylan Moses before the season was a huge blow to the Tide. I think we can all see what a difference an experienced MLB can make in the D once Bitulli returned for us.
Bama has lost what 2 games with Tua as the starter? The D gave up 44 and 46 points in those 2 games. Tua has thrown for 76 TD’s and 9 picks the last 2 years. What was Saban supposed to do? Tua wasn’t going to be sticking around after the title game or spring practice if he didn’t get his opportunity . Hurts wasn’t playing well and was clearly holding back the offense and the entire team could see it every day at practice. We as football fans could see it. Saban had to make the move he made.

Imagine if Tee Martin was the upperclassmen and was starting in front of all world Peyton Manning and the entire world knew that Peyton was better, but Fulmer stuck with Martin as long as he could and then eventually he had to make the move because Martin was holding the offense back. There is no way you could keep Peyton on the bench .

 

[bamawriter]

Tua is injured because Tua plays every play like its life or death. Why is he scrambling full speed with 2 defenders on him? just throw it away or slide down your up by 4 TD's and its not even halftime. Situational awareness is not his a part of his game. If I had a canon like that I would never let it exit the pocket.

I really wish I could disagree with this, but I can't.

 

[05_never_again]

Tua is injured because Tua plays every play like its life or death. Why is he scrambling full speed with 2 defenders on him? just throw it away or slide down your up by 4 TD's and its not even halftime. Situational awareness is not his a part of his game. If I had a canon like that I would never let it exit the pocket.

True, but ultimately it all boils down to a coaching decision. Why was he even in the game? That isn't a perfect 20/20 hindsight opinion either...lots of people were questioning before the game even started why he was going to play.

 

[bamawriter]

True, but ultimately it all boils down to a coaching decision. Why was he even in the game? That isn't a perfect 20/20 hindsight opinion either...lots of people were questioning before the game even started why he was going to play.

My take going in is that he should be out as soon as we were up by 3 scores. So, by that standard he was in way too long. But, it doesn't seem like that take is terribly relevant since he didn't reinjure the ankle. It's a completely separate injury. I don't think one can look back with the gift of hindsight and say "he was cleared to play, but he shouldn't have been."

 

[05_never_again]

My take going in is that he should be out as soon as we were up by 3 scores. So, by that standard he was in way too long. But, it doesn't seem like that take is terribly relevant since he didn't reinjure the ankle. It's a completely separate injury. I don't think one can look back with the gift of hindsight and say "he was cleared to play, but he shouldn't have been."

It's totally relevant. "Cleared to play" and "should play" are two totally different things. There were a lot of media people openly questioning why he was even playing at all on Saturday, much less was in the game during a 2-minute drill while up 4 TDs.

I hate arguments that are made with perfect hindsight, but this isn't one of them. The stupid argument in all of this is the "the reason Tua was in there is because Saban needed style points to impress the committee; let's get rid of the playoff" argument.

 

[bamawriter]

It's totally relevant. "Cleared to play" and "should play" are two totally different things. There were a lot of media people openly questioning why he was even playing at all on Saturday, much less was in the game during a 2-minute drill while up 4 TDs.

I hate arguments that are made with perfect hindsight, but this isn't one of them.

If he's cleared to play he should play. If he shouldn't be playing then he shouldn't be cleared to do so. Again, I didn't think he should have been in while the team was up by four scores, but my concern was that he could reinjure the ankle. Reinjuring a recent repair is easily foreseeable. To say that a completely different injury proves that he shouldn't have been playing is absolutely done with the gift of hindsight.

The stupid argument in all of this is the "the reason Tua was in there is because Saban needed style points to impress the committee; let's get rid of the playoff" argument.

I haven't seen that argument, but I agree that it's stupid.

 

[05_never_again]

If he's cleared to play he should play. If he shouldn't be playing then he shouldn't be cleared to do so. Again, I didn't think he should have been in while the team was up by four scores, but my concern was that he could reinjure the ankle. Reinjuring a recent repair is easily foreseeable. To say that a completely different injury proves that he shouldn't have been playing is absolutely done with the gift of hindsight.

Is the hip that he broke the one over his left or right leg?

 

[bamawriter]

Is the hip that he broke the one over his left or right leg?

It's on the same leg as the ankle injury. I've read a ton of opinions on the injury from orthopaedists and I've yet to find a single one that says the bad ankle contributed to the hip. If it turns out that one led to the other, then I'm right there with you.

 

[DoyleMcOrange]

BS.

You'll make up another excuse to put a player's well-being at risk so you have a chance at a nattie.

You've shown that here already. Just like Nickie.

You do realize the link and video you used to destroy your own point didnt involve a UT or LSU game.

What are you babbling about. He hurt his ankle vs Tennessee, and had the surgery so he could start against LSU.

I'm done with you. You're pretty much an imbecile, like your gump friend.

 

[BeecherVol]

What are you babbling about. He hurt his ankle vs Tennessee, and had the surgery so he could start against LSU.

I'm done with you. You're pretty much an imbecile, like your gump friend.

Did you even watch the video you linked?

You know, the one that destroyed your point to being with.

You were done early on just took you a little longer than most to figure it out.

 

[DoyleMcOrange]

It's on the same leg as the ankle injury. I've read a ton of opinions on the injury from orthopaedists and I've yet to find a single one that says the bad ankle contributed to the hip. If it turns out that one led to the other, then I'm right there with you.

lmao

 

[bamawriter]

lmao

Is that your expert medical opinion, Dr. McOrange?

 

[bamawriter]

Did you even watch the video you linked?

You know, the one that destroyed your point to being with.

You were done early on just took you a little longer than most to figure it out.

I will say that I find great amusement in watching a guy like Doyle melt down into non sequitur insults despite A) doing nothing to reinforce his own argument and B) not getting any attacks in response.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

The same championship they ve won 4 years straight with 2 other QBs? Yes. Like I've said, he hasnt elevated them to anything they were not already. He just left for a vacant position because he couldnt keep the one he had. Which has a bit of irony to it.

Dont look now but OU isnt a lock for the playoff either after losing to a KSU team that's 6 - 4. So they are needing some help and relying on hope as well.

Once again, Hurts is playing for a championship and Tua is not.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

As opposed to what? You talk about "identity" as if Bama hasn't been running this offense since 2014.

You obviously think that Bama was better off going all in with Tua and i think they should have stayed with Hurts. Tua was always light and an injury waiting to happen.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Which brings up an interesting point. Why didnt Hurts hang around and compete for the job that he did pretty well when he had it?
And no I dont believe for a second that Tua is still there 3 years removed from HS. Had Hurts not totally been inept against UGA and Tua not gotten the chance to bail them out, one of them was leaving after the next season even if Saban tried to keep both happy.

Claiming they missed by going with Tua is silly. It's not like Bama started struggling after Tua took the job. He saved a NC they were going to lose and is 23 - 2 since then. Hurts walked into a good situation at OU and has played well, but it's not like he has elevated OU to a different level.

Tua didn't elevate Alabama to a different level either.

 

[bamawriter]

Once again, Hurts is playing for a championship and Tua is not.

But if, as you've suggested, Tua was currently sitting behind Hurts on the depth chart he still wouldn't be playing for a championship. The question is, with the absolute MASH unit that is the Bama defense, would Hurts be playing for a championship if he were still at Bama?

 

[bamawriter]

You obviously think that Bama was better off going all in with Tua and i think they should have stayed with Hurts. Tua was always light and an injury waiting to happen.

He is also a better quarterback than Hurts. Even if your argument isn't about talent but rests on the idea of Hurts being more durable, it's still an open question because Hurts missed time last year after having the exact same tight-rope procedure.

 

[bamawriter]

Tua didn't elevate Alabama to a different level either.

He set 20 different school records.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

But if, as you've suggested, Tua was currently sitting behind Hurts on the depth chart he still wouldn't be playing for a championship. The question is, with the absolute MASH unit that is the Bama defense, would Hurts be playing for a championship if he were still at Bama?

No reason to believe he would not, 26-2 i think when they benched him.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

He set 20 different school records.

Easy to do at a school that has never passed the ball much.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

He is also a better quarterback than Hurts. Even if your argument isn't about talent but rests on the idea of Hurts being more durable, it's still an open question because Hurts missed time last year after having the exact same tight-rope procedure.

His record does not indicate that he's better than Hurts.