Sack lead

[pimo1]

So the amount of sacks this defense is getting has gotten me kinda locked in so I've been tracking. When it was first brought up in these forums a lot of people poo-pooed it. But at this moment, after the bye week the 2 leading schools for sacks happen to be UT and Texas A&M.. they lead in total with 26 but we have one less game so lead in sacks per game. 22 in 5 and 26 in 6. Interestingly enough 4 of the top 5 )actually 7 because 7 teams are tied at 5th place. Are SEC schools. UT has 22 in 5 games. A&M 26 in 6. Bama and Ole miss 22 in 6. It will be interesting to track this stats because we ar on pace to get more sacks this season than any UT team in history. I went back as far as 2000 (the utsports site https://utsports.com/sports/football/stats/2000 loads pdfs soooo slow) outside of that like 37 sacks was a high that season we had 47. Now those of you in the know will realise that was the year we had Big John and Albert so random linebackers were getting career highs. We likely won't beat those numbers But I think breaking 40 this year might be a thing.

Looking at it Tim Banks defenses generate a lot of sacks. Seriously IF you go back to 2000 if you skip years we had a 1st round draft pick on the Dline the best years on sack production came with him as our DC. With this offense I think that end up working out well. It covers whatever perceived weakness there is in coverage and as talent in the secondary increases we start generating picks from it. Just some random ramblings.. Does anyone have actual thoughts on this? Not random Banks sucks our defense sucks blah blah some actual thoughts on how it all works out.

Outside of Georgia waking up on offense this weekend in football has been positive for UT. Missou, A&M and Kentucky got put in their place... Florida won (I know it sounds weird but you want your past opponents especially those that beat you to win out (Strength of Schedule) if Florida wins out and we split with Bama/Georgia and win out the rest we are in the conversation for the playoffs. Texas and Notre Dame lost and USC is looking.. well, like a PAC 12 team. I do not see us beating Georgia and Bama will be rough in their house after what we put on them last year. But if we can split and win the rest the numbers add up to a chance in the playoffs. I know we lose to UGA we dont make the championship game. But if UGA wins that game whoever they face will be ranked lower than us and there is no TCU type situation this year. Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, Florida State and Penn State. FSU has looked shake a few games. The big 10 teams all play each other. There is a space to sneak in.

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[Brucifer13]

If our front 7 (really the defense as a whole) continues to play like they did against cocky, we could potentially win out. I'm feeling better about our future schedule, even if SCar was an inferior team. Hard for the opposing team to win if their quarterback spends half the game on his back. I think TAM is going to be in for a long afternoon.

 

[livefaith]

I'm happy that we have improved so much under Heupel on the DL and defense as a whole. But, to be honest, the stats are still not "real". We've played two avg/below avg SEC teams and 3 scrubs. The next 3 games statistics will show more reality.
Enjoy the water cooler conversation victory for now. But, the real season is about to begin. We will find out who we are within one month.

 

[BACKDOC]

So the amount of sacks this defense is getting has gotten me kinda locked in so I've been tracking. When it was first brought up in these forums a lot of people poo-pooed it. But at this moment, after the bye week the 2 leading schools for sacks happen to be UT and Texas A&M.. they lead in total with 26 but we have one less game so lead in sacks per game. 22 in 5 and 26 in 6. Interestingly enough 4 of the top 5 )actually 7 because 7 teams are tied at 5th place. Are SEC schools. UT has 22 in 5 games. A&M 26 in 6. Bama and Ole miss 22 in 6. It will be interesting to track this stats because we ar on pace to get more sacks this season than any UT team in history. I went back as far as 2000 (the utsports site https://utsports.com/sports/football/stats/2000 loads pdfs soooo slow) outside of that like 37 sacks was a high that season we had 47. Now those of you in the know will realise that was the year we had Big John and Albert so random linebackers were getting career highs. We likely won't beat those numbers But I think breaking 40 this year might be a thing.

Looking at it Tim Banks defenses generate a lot of sacks. Seriously IF you go back to 2000 if you skip years we had a 1st round draft pick on the Dline the best years on sack production came with him as our DC. With this offense I think that end up working out well. It covers whatever perceived weakness there is in coverage and as talent in the secondary increases we start generating picks from it. Just some random ramblings.. Does anyone have actual thoughts on this? Not random Banks sucks our defense sucks blah blah some actual thoughts on how it all works out.

Outside of Georgia waking up on offense this weekend in football has been positive for UT. Missou, A&M and Kentucky got put in their place... Florida won (I know it sounds weird but you want your past opponents especially those that beat you to win out (Strength of Schedule) if Florida wins out and we split with Bama/Georgia and win out the rest we are in the conversation for the playoffs. Texas and Notre Dame lost and USC is looking.. well, like a PAC 12 team. I do not see us beating Georgia and Bama will be rough in their house after what we put on them last year. But if we can split and win the rest the numbers add up to a chance in the playoffs. I know we lose to UGA we dont make the championship game. But if UGA wins that game whoever they face will be ranked lower than us and there is no TCU type situation this year. Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, Florida State and Penn State. FSU has looked shake a few games. The big 10 teams all play each other. There is a space to sneak in.

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What's nice about this.......Bama is 127th in the nation for sacks per game for their QB. Before the aTm game they were giving up sacks 15% of the time on pass plays.

 

[BACKDOC]

I'm happy that we have improved so much under Heupel on the DL and defense as a whole. But, to be honest, the stats are still not "real". We've played two avg/below avg SEC teams and 3 scrubs. The next 3 games statistics will show more reality.
Enjoy the water cooler conversation victory for now. But, the real season is about to begin. We will find out who we are within one month.

Bama is one of the very worst teams in the nation for giving up sacks; not that far behind S CAR who gives up the most per game. Bama is 127th.

 

[pimo1]

What's nice about this.......Bama is 127th in the nation for sacks per game for their QB. Before the aTm game they were giving up sacks 15% of the time on pass plays.

for sure and the interesting lost stat.. even with Cooper gone most of the season is..we have given up as a team in 5 games exactly as many sacks as we got against USCe.. 6. Cooper is back. Joe is gonna get better pockets and looks. We have a rough stretch coming up A&M, Bama, Kentucky (they suck getting sacks but its on the road). If can come out of that stretch with like 30+ and give up less than 12 we are in the house. A&M and Bama if we give up less than 2 sacks a game and do 2+ is a good sign.. we get blanked on sacks and Joe has a green kersey by halftime every game its bad.

All the haters can do what they do but this season Joe had thrown like 4 BAD passes. You can't say he holds the ball too long when you give up less than 1 a game, and he runs when he needs to and the opportunity is there. Joe is not Randall Cunningham/Mike Vick he is more Warren Moon, or a better comparison John Elway. When he finishes his career his rushing yards will be positive but not impressive. But if the door opens he can go.

 

[pimo1]

If our front 7 (really the defense as a whole) continues to play like they did against cocky, we could potentially win out. I'm feeling better about our future schedule, even if SCar was an inferior team. Hard for the opposing team to win if their quarterback spends half the game on his back. I think TAM is going to be in for a long afternoon.

They have played like that all year..... consistently. There is no real reason they fall off, that being said A&M and Bama are the real tests. OF all the teams we meet this year those 2 and UGA will have the most legit olines and coaching. IF we can get 2+ on them we are good.

 

[EtowahVol]

Georgia hasn't woke up They've just not had to do what they've done all the way back to the days of Fulmer. I have posted on this forum for years the way to stop Georgia is stop their top tight end. They done it Saturday and when the Washington kid was there whose in the NFL now they done it then. When they come to Neyland they will score 2 TD's to # 19 maybe more. Book it.

 

[pimo1]

Georgia hasn't woke up They've just not had to do what they've done all the way back to the days of Fulmer. I have posted on this forum for years the way to stop Georgia is stop their top tight end. They done it Saturday and when the Washington kid was there whose in the NFL now they done it then. When they come to Neyland they will score 2 TD's to # 19 maybe more. Book it.

No they woke up yesterday. They are actually still missing their best WR (MCCONKEY) pretty much the whole season. They are getting a new QB up to speed and they just smacked the crap out of 50- Kentucky. I know what you're thinking.... Kentucky? But thus far they have looked vulnerable offensively against UAB, USCe and Auburn early. Kentucky was the best team they have faced so far and they put on their best performance. Pre-season their schedule is the easiest of any real playoff contender by a large margin. We are easily the stiffest competition they will face this year and they are easily the hardest we face. That game means all the things. I think worst case we are on 9 wins outside of some weird crap...but if we can split Bama UGA... those 10 wins are powerful. Most teams in he p[[layoff this year will have at least 1 L and I'm pretty sure how things are going there will be 2 teams with 2 L's in the playoffs. OSU and Michigan have the opportunity to get out with 0-1 losses.. no one else is in that situation really but UGA. All the PAC-12 teams will take a dumb loss.. then they have a championship game where the underdog almost always wins. OSU and Michigan have to beat a beatable Penn State and then its about which of them wins their direct matchup. That means 2 teams left with 0 ls (UGA/Michigan) 1 team with 1 ls (OSU) that 4th team will have 2 ls and not win their championship game (ever even p[lay in it). Thats the space we slip into.. beat Bama.

That being said I dont see it after what we did to them last year.. we aint beating them at home and UGA is what they are this year. Thats seems sucky but not really we are a better team next season guaranteed.

 

[Ratvol]

I’d love to whoop Bama so bad this year that Saban quit after the game and the fans tore down his statue.

Go VOLS

 

[cgrish]

If our front 7 (really the defense as a whole) continues to play like they did against cocky, we could potentially win out. I'm feeling better about our future schedule, even if SCar was an inferior team. Hard for the opposing team to win if their quarterback spends half the game on his back. I think TAM is going to be in for a long afternoon.

I agree with you that if our dline continues as it has we will make it very tough for A&M but at the same time they are number one in sacks, and could make it hard on us as well.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

No they woke up yesterday. They are actually still missing their best WR (MCCONKEY) pretty much the whole season. They are getting a new QB up to speed and they just smacked the crap out of 50- Kentucky. I know what you're thinking.... Kentucky? But thus far they have looked vulnerable offensively against UAB, USCe and Auburn early. Kentucky was the best team they have faced so far and they put on their best performance. Pre-season their schedule is the easiest of any real playoff contender by a large margin. We are easily the stiffest competition they will face this year and they are easily the hardest we face. That game means all the things. I think worst case we are on 9 wins outside of some weird crap...but if we can split Bama UGA... those 10 wins are powerful. Most teams in he p[[layoff this year will have at least 1 L and I'm pretty sure how things are going there will be 2 teams with 2 L's in the playoffs. OSU and Michigan have the opportunity to get out with 0-1 losses.. no one else is in that situation really but UGA. All the PAC-12 teams will take a dumb loss.. then they have a championship game where the underdog almost always wins. OSU and Michigan have to beat a beatable Penn State and then its about which of them wins their direct matchup. That means 2 teams left with 0 ls (UGA/Michigan) 1 team with 1 ls (OSU) that 4th team will have 2 ls and not win their championship game (ever even p[lay in it). Thats the space we slip into.. beat Bama.

That being said I dont see it after what we did to them last year.. we aint beating them at home and UGA is what they are this year. Thats seems sucky but not really we are a better team next season guaranteed.

Why is Kentucky the best? Because they were 5-0? They were ranked?

 

[NO SIR EEE]

Why is Kentucky the best? Because they were 5-0? They were ranked?

I love how people are basing uga’s performance on beating a bad Kentucky

 

[livefaith]

Bama is one of the very worst teams in the nation for giving up sacks; not that far behind S CAR who gives up the most per game. Bama is 127th.

 

[orangemadam]

I don't think there is any way an SEC team with 2 losses will make the playoffs (unless they win the SEC championship)

Too much talk right now about winning the east. I just hope we get by A&M this week and head toward 9-3

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

10/10 thread title

 

[Illinoisvolfan2]

If we are still in the lead after these next 3 games we’ll be in good shape

 

[pimo1]

Why is Kentucky the best? Because they were 5-0? They were ranked?

Their other opponents were USCe( 2-3), Auburn (3-2) and it goes way downhill after that. UT-Martin....Ball State is 1-5 UAB is 2-4. Now it could be argued how Kentucky would match up against Auburn or USCe but given results they are the better team at this moment. So benefit of the doubt Kentucky is the best they have played thus far. Kentucky got unlucky that UGA also played easily its best game thus far this season last week.

 

[scottchatt]

This may or may not matter based on how the next few weeks go, but there has been a lot of talk about the "down year for the SEC" since literally week 1. The stage for keeping the SEC champ out of the playoff is being set. With all the PAC12 (or whatever they are now) love, you know their champ is getting in. They aren't leaving out both OSU and Michigan. So there are a minimum 2 and possibly 3 of your teams...because both get in if one is undefeated and the other only has the one loss......it's been proven over and over. Oklahoma has a good chance of going undefeated, and if so they are in. SEC Champ is only getting in if they are undefeated or one loss, and I think the one loss is risky.

Undefeated SEC champ (Georgia) gets in, Bama with one loss gets in, Tennessee or anyone else with one loss......maybe.

 

[NetworkVol]

So the amount of sacks this defense is getting has gotten me kinda locked in so I've been tracking. When it was first brought up in these forums a lot of people poo-pooed it. But at this moment, after the bye week the 2 leading schools for sacks happen to be UT and Texas A&M.. they lead in total with 26 but we have one less game so lead in sacks per game. 22 in 5 and 26 in 6. Interestingly enough 4 of the top 5 )actually 7 because 7 teams are tied at 5th place. Are SEC schools. UT has 22 in 5 games. A&M 26 in 6. Bama and Ole miss 22 in 6. It will be interesting to track this stats because we ar on pace to get more sacks this season than any UT team in history. I went back as far as 2000 (the utsports site https://utsports.com/sports/football/stats/2000 loads pdfs soooo slow) outside of that like 37 sacks was a high that season we had 47. Now those of you in the know will realise that was the year we had Big John and Albert so random linebackers were getting career highs. We likely won't beat those numbers But I think breaking 40 this year might be a thing.

Looking at it Tim Banks defenses generate a lot of sacks. Seriously IF you go back to 2000 if you skip years we had a 1st round draft pick on the Dline the best years on sack production came with him as our DC. With this offense I think that end up working out well. It covers whatever perceived weakness there is in coverage and as talent in the secondary increases we start generating picks from it. Just some random ramblings.. Does anyone have actual thoughts on this? Not random Banks sucks our defense sucks blah blah some actual thoughts on how it all works out.

Outside of Georgia waking up on offense this weekend in football has been positive for UT. Missou, A&M and Kentucky got put in their place... Florida won (I know it sounds weird but you want your past opponents especially those that beat you to win out (Strength of Schedule) if Florida wins out and we split with Bama/Georgia and win out the rest we are in the conversation for the playoffs. Texas and Notre Dame lost and USC is looking.. well, like a PAC 12 team. I do not see us beating Georgia and Bama will be rough in their house after what we put on them last year. But if we can split and win the rest the numbers add up to a chance in the playoffs. I know we lose to UGA we dont make the championship game. But if UGA wins that game whoever they face will be ranked lower than us and there is no TCU type situation this year. Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, Florida State and Penn State. FSU has looked shake a few games. The big 10 teams all play each other. There is a space to sneak in.

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If Florida wins out, they will have beaten UGA and will be in the SEC champ game. UGA would have the 1 loss to UF. We would have 2 SEC losses to both of them. We wouldn't be in the conversation for playoffs. If UGA beats UF and us, we both finish with 2 SEC losses but they have the win over us so we still would be 3rd in the East. For the playoffs, we can't lose another game. For the SEC championship we could lose one but would have to beat UGA and get some major help from Ole Miss to beat them too. This is kinda dreamland but its fun to talk about. I say we go 9-3.

 

[901 Orange]

If Florida wins out, they will have beaten UGA and will be in the SEC champ game. UGA would have the 1 loss to UF. We would have 2 SEC losses to both of them. We wouldn't be in the conversation for playoffs. If UGA beats UF and us, we both finish with 2 SEC losses but they have the win over us so we still would be 3rd in the East. For the playoffs, we can't lose another game. For the SEC championship we could lose one but would have to beat UGA and get some major help from Ole Miss to beat them too. This is kinda dreamland but its fun to talk about. I say we go 9-3.

The best path would be for us to just win out and wait on UGA to destroy Fla. Go win the SEC championship and you're in the playoffs. Yeah it's kinda dreamland but it is still possible. Hopefully we come out this bye week looking a level or 2 better than we did going in.

 

[BruisedOrange]

I'm basically in agreement with you, OP.
Forgive my laziness, but I'll cut+paste some thoughts on Banks and our defense that I posted following the South Carolina game:


From the time Heupel came and explained his offense, I've contended that the corresponding defense would have to be hyper-aggressive, built more for creating turnovers and punts than the traditional "field position" or "bend-don't-break just keep them out of the end zone" defenses. I also insisted that, like the Peyton-led Colts offense, we wouldn't achieve championships until we had our equivalent of disrupters Robert Mathis and Dwight Freeney on defense.

Last season, our deficiencies in the defensive line forced Banks to utilize our LBs to generate tackles for loss and needed QB pressures. But that further exposed our secondary, especially in long third down attempts. This season, we have the personnel to shut down the run and pressure the passer without blitzing.

If I'm still correct about Heupel's defensive philosophy (which Banks is responsible for developing and fleshing out) then for Heupel, the most important defensive stats would be:
- how many points did the defense yield,
- how many opponent red zone possessions yielded field goals instead of touchdowns, and
- how many more offensive possessions did we have than our opponent.

If our defense generates just one extra possession for our offense, then even in a shootout, we have the opportunity to win. This philosophy also means that the end and beginning of each half has an impact on our defensive tactics.

Beamer understood that, and was willing to game plan possibly risky fake punts to prevent our defense from generating more possessions for our offense.

All this, of course, IMHO.

 

[Manchester Vol]

for sure and the interesting lost stat.. even with Cooper gone most of the season is..we have given up as a team in 5 games exactly as many sacks as we got against USCe.. 6. Cooper is back. Joe is gonna get better pockets and looks. We have a rough stretch coming up A&M, Bama, Kentucky (they suck getting sacks but its on the road). If can come out of that stretch with like 30+ and give up less than 12 we are in the house. A&M and Bama if we give up less than 2 sacks a game and do 2+ is a good sign.. we get blanked on sacks and Joe has a green kersey by halftime every game its bad.

All the haters can do what they do but this season Joe had thrown like 4 BAD passes. You can't say he holds the ball too long when you give up less than 1 a game, and he runs when he needs to and the opportunity is there. Joe is not Randall Cunningham/Mike Vick he is more Warren Moon, or a better comparison John Elway. When he finishes his career his rushing yards will be positive but not impressive. But if the door opens he can go.

I am all for Joe, but I need him to spin that sucker quick. One Mississippi. On that last sip the ball needs to be moving.

 

[pimo1]

If Florida wins out, they will have beaten UGA and will be in the SEC champ game. UGA would have the 1 loss to UF. We would have 2 SEC losses to both of them. We wouldn't be in the conversation for playoffs. If UGA beats UF and us, we both finish with 2 SEC losses but they have the win over us so we still would be 3rd in the East. For the playoffs, we can't lose another game. For the SEC championship we could lose one but would have to beat UGA and get some major help from Ole Miss to beat them too. This is kinda dreamland but its fun to talk about. I say we go 9-3.

Not that worried about Florida winning out. But if we only lose to GA. We will make the playoffs. GA will beat whoever shows up for the west and every team in the west will have 2 losses by end of season i'd bet my bottom dollar.. there is that much parity. In this scenario we give Bama one L.. they still have LSU and Kentucky on their schedule and Auburn is their Vandy. Have you ever noticed Vandy always beats us in years they seriously shouldn't and we can least afford it? That is Auburn to Bama. They can be winless in the SEC and still find it in their hearts because its their Superbowl literally.

 

[pimo1]

I am all for Joe, but I need him to spin that sucker quick. One Mississippi. On that last sip the ball needs to be moving.

Kinda hard to do anything but throw screens and short slants at that pace.