SC joins Calif., 2 defy NCAA, allowing college athletes 2b paid?

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golfballs said:
Its a system college players are willing participants in. If they don’t like it they shouldn’t participate
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Yes, if an individual school wanted to impose restrictions, generally I wouldn't have to many issues with that... the problem is they are in an association with other colleges to restrict trade and employment. This is why you have things like the Sherman Act, anti-corruption laws, and black listing laws. The colleges are willing participants in business, if they don't like it... they shouldn't participate. So, the oil companies and pipeline companies form a cartel, they than set the prices of not only the product but employment rates of the oil workers.:) The indictments would be falling like rain in Washington State.

For the record, generally, I have little issue with an individual school setting their own restrictions as to students and their activities. Once the schools form a cartel (to set limits, restrict market, and restrict pay and set prices), which is really what the NCAA is... therein lies the beginning of the problem. The whole thing is insane, not even the pro sports with anti-trust exemptions would try to restrict the marketability of the athletes like this - the NCAA has no real business to be in the discussion, the student has a contract with the school
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Yes, if an individual school wanted to impose restrictions, generally I wouldn't have to many issues with that... the problem is they are in an association with other colleges to restrict trade and employment. This is why you have things like the Sherman Act, anti-corruption laws, and black listing laws.

The colleges are willing participants in business, if they don't like it... they shouldn't participate.
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Huh?
 
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golfballs said:
Huh?
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Not sure what that means, this is all pretty simple.

You can't restrict trade as a group, generally speaking... laws exist under Federal jurisdiction, and probably multiple statutes under each of the 50 States. What they are doing is improper or illegal. Just because a college player can choose to not be involved doesn't mean the colleges can get together to restrict trade, under Federal law its called the Sherman act. None of this is new, its just now they are being called out on it more and more. Of course, they could go to congress to get an anti-trust exemption but not sure what good that would do, as than they are admitting all the players are employees and than would subject them to employment laws and they would than really be able to receive outside payments just like anyone else does.

All this is at the moment its a political issue, meaning no attorney general has chosen to go after them - YET. The laws are already on the books and have been for 100+ years.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
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Not sure what that means, this is all pretty simple.

You can't restrict trade as a group, generally speaking... laws exist under Federal jurisdiction, and probably multiple statutes under each of the 50 States. What they are doing is improper or illegal. Just because a college player can choose to not be involved doesn't mean the colleges can get together to restrict trade, under Federal law its called the Sherman act. None of this is new, its just now they are being called out on it more and more. Of course, they could go to congress to get an anti-trust exemption but not sure what good that would do, as than they are admitting all the players are employees and than would subject them to employment laws and they would than really be able to receive outside payments just like anyone else does.

All this is at the moment its a political issue, meaning no attorney general has chosen to go after them - YET. The laws are already on the books and have been for 100+ years.
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You are looking at that issue wrong..... they are not going to school to play football..... they are going to school for education..... the ncaa sets the rules for being eligible to play football just like the TSSAA does for High School.....I’m not against players getting paid in some way but realize there are several issues that need to be figured out as well.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
Exactly. There’s no choice here. College players assume the bulk of the risk with marginal compensation.
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Has anyone ever put a value on what a student athlete's 4 year athletic scholarship is worth? I'm sure it would vary from college to college but 4 years tuition, food, housing, medical treatment, coaching, and probably a couple other things I'm not thinking of is probably a decent amount. I'm not sure if marginal is the right word. Especially today when people are going into years of debt for the same education.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Has anyone ever put a value on what a student athlete's 4 year athletic scholarship is worth? I'm sure it would vary from college to college but 4 years tuition, food, housing, medical treatment, coaching, and probably a couple other things I'm not thinking of is probably a decent amount. I'm not sure if marginal is the right word. Especially today when people are going into years of debt for the same education.
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I did the math a few years back. Using Alabama as an example, and putting a rather generous dollar figure on all of the perks of being a college football player, the "compensation" that the 85 scholarship players receive on a yearly basis is less than 10% of the revenue generated by the football program.
 
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If the NCAA weren’t dumbasses and let players profit off their name and likeness (or sell their stuff) this wouldn’t be an issue
 
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bamawriter said:
I did the math a few years back. Using Alabama as an example, and putting a rather generous dollar figure on all of the perks of being a college football player, the "compensation" that the 85 scholarship players receive on a yearly basis is less than 10% of the revenue generated by the football program.
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What was the dollar amount per year for each player? I'm wondering what the compensation would be over a 4 year span.

The universities that run a profit on athletics are the minority are they not? Against Alabama football revenue the disparity may be large, but what about the non-football powerhouses that don't generate that kind of revenue or profit what Alabama does? Those players are still getting education, housing, food, ect and millions aren't being profited off them. That's why I'm wondering what a scholarship is worth over time.

For a university to start playing favorites and paying certain players....I'd think there would be some Title IX hurdles to overcome.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Has anyone ever put a value on what a student athlete's 4 year athletic scholarship is worth? I'm sure it would vary from college to college but 4 years tuition, food, housing, medical treatment, coaching, and probably a couple other things I'm not thinking of is probably a decent amount. I'm not sure if marginal is the right word. Especially today when people are going into years of debt for the same education.
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Then let’s pay the coaches like we do the students. Millions in scholarships for themselves and their family. Stay on campus. Meal plan too.
 
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MontyPython said:
A stipend to all college athletes -- above and beyond scholarships -- is a good idea, in theory. But, it would probably make sense to just provide a preset, equal amount to all athletes. Nothing crazy. $5K/year seems plenty reasonable.
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But this wont satisfy many. Ive always said "it will never be enough" and the monthly stipend currently in place isnt. What does a company in Alabama pay Tua for endorsements or one in SC pay Lawrence? $100k, $250K $500K or $1mm for a 4 year contract? What about a Rex Chapman-type in Blue Mist? What does the #1 hoops recruit get after Duke, NC, Ky and Kansas get finished bidding? What does Oregon and Nike bid? Dont laugh, its sure possible.
 
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Our love for college sports does not supersede an individuals right to profit off their own likeness. It’s really that simple.
 
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I am not against athletes getting paid. But if they are getting paid they need to give up their privilege status and pay tuition and have to go to class like any other student.
 
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I don't see how this would work since the players don't sign multiyear contracts. The best players would just enter the transfer portal every year and go play for the highest bidder.
 
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