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Blind loyalty
SEC fans need to accept that the conference is down
Posted: Wednesday October 26, 2005 12:46PM; Updated: Wednesday October 26, 2005 3:32PM

Tennessee's offense was struggling with Gerald Riggs Jr. was on the field. With his injury, it's bound to get worse.

Admittedly, college football wouldn't be what it is without the blind loyalty of fans to their chosen teams and conferences. But man, some of you SEC fans may want to think about visiting the eye doctor.

Stewart: Why the constant bashing on the SEC this year? You stated a few weeks back that the SEC was overrated and this week you mention an "ugly" 6-3 SEC game that happened to be played by two teams with excellent defenses. With three teams in the top 10 and six in the top 25, is there any doubt right now that the SEC is the best conference in college football?
-- Jason, Baton Rouge, La.

Umm ... yes?

Did you happen to see the scores in the SEC matchups this weekend? The closest margin of victory was seven points. Yet you and all the other sportswriters on this site jump on the Big Ten bandwagon! You guys condemn a very good team like Tennessee because they happen to have three loses to two teams in the top five and another team in the top 20. If Tennessee was to play Michigan's schedule, the Vols would be undefeated! Also, do you think if Texas was in the SEC they could beat LSU, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida or Auburn 52-17?
-- Donnie Jones, Knoxville, Tenn.

And how do you propose Tennessee would go undefeated exactly? By out-punting Penn State and Wisconsin? And no, the Longhorns would not beat those teams 52-17. It'd be more like 21-3.

Look, I'm not trying to be mean. The fact is, the SEC is the strongest conference in the country most seasons. This isn't one of them. It's always tough to look yourself in the mirror, so if you won't listen to me, SEC fans, perhaps you should hear what they're saying in other parts of the country:

Is it just me, or are the top teams in the SEC playing incredibly sloppy football? Outside of LSU's win over 3-4 Arizona State, what have any of the top six teams done to suggest they are playing any better than Colorado or Minnesota?
-- Ben, Tucson, Ariz.


Why won't someone come out and say how pathetic the SEC's offenses are? Alabama over Tennessee, 6-3? LSU-Auburn 17-17 in regulation? Please. These teams would have no chance with a top team from any other top conference. Even if their defense holds for 10 points, their offense won't score more than 6!
-- Shiva B., San Diego, Calif.

It's not that I don't appreciate good defenses, of which the conference has a whole bunch. But I do tend to favor teams that are at least functional on the other side of the ball. Alabama was the closest thing the conference had to a "complete" team this year, but without Tyrone Prothro, the Tide's offense is borderline impotent. Georgia's is in danger of going in the same direction without quarterback D.J. Shockley. LSU's offense is inconsistent; Auburn's is young; Florida's is a mess and Tennessee's was a joke even before losing Gerald Riggs Jr. And, in a true sign of the state of the conference this season, as opposed to previous years, the other six teams aren't even worth mentioning. As a more lucid SEC alum in my office said this week, you can sum up the conference this season with a word: "unwatchable."

Now, compare that to the ACC, which not only has three teams that could play with anyone in the SEC (Virginia Tech, Florida State and Miami) but also no less than six other teams (Boston College, Clemson, Virginia, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest and North Carolina) capable of beating those squads on any given week. In the Pac-10, the current seventh-place team, Arizona State, came within a stone's throw of beating top-10 foes USC and LSU, and the eighth-place team, Washington State, was a combined seven points from beating 7-0 UCLA and 6-2 Cal.

In my current conference pecking order, the SEC falls behind those two leagues, but ahead of the defensively-challenged Big Ten and one-horse Big 12. Then again, how would I know? Perhaps if the Tide or Bulldogs had beaten an Ohio State or Notre Dame in their non-conference slate rather than Middle Tennessee, Southern Miss, Utah State, Boise State or Louisiana-Monroe, I'd have a better measuring stick. In the absence of that, perhaps the best point of comparison you can make is this: USC gained more yards against Arkansas in a two-minute span (261) than Georgia did against the Razorbacks over the course of an entire game (217).
 
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Hes right! We only have 3 teams in the top 10. Its a down year

:shakehead: :shakehead: :shakehead:
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Oct 27, 2005 11:47 AM
Blind loyalty
SEC fans need to accept that the conference is down
Posted: Wednesday October 26, 2005 12:46PM; Updated: Wednesday October 26, 2005 3:32PM
 
Tennessee's offense was struggling with Gerald Riggs Jr. was on the field. With his injury, it's bound to get worse.

Admittedly, college football wouldn't be what it is without the blind loyalty of fans to their chosen teams and conferences. But man, some of you SEC fans may want to think about visiting the eye doctor.

Stewart: Why the constant bashing on the SEC this year? You stated a few weeks back that the SEC was overrated and this week you mention an "ugly" 6-3 SEC game that happened to be played by two teams with excellent defenses. With three teams in the top 10 and six in the top 25, is there any doubt right now that the SEC is the best conference in college football?
-- Jason, Baton Rouge, La.

Umm ... yes?

Did you happen to see the scores in the SEC matchups this weekend? The closest margin of victory was seven points. Yet you and all the other sportswriters on this site jump on the Big Ten bandwagon! You guys condemn a very good team like Tennessee because they happen to have three loses to two teams in the top five and another team in the top 20. If Tennessee was to play Michigan's schedule, the Vols would be undefeated! Also, do you think if Texas was in the SEC they could beat LSU, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida or Auburn 52-17?
-- Donnie Jones, Knoxville, Tenn.

And how do you propose Tennessee would go undefeated exactly? By out-punting Penn State and Wisconsin? And no, the Longhorns would not beat those teams 52-17. It'd be more like 21-3.

Look, I'm not trying to be mean. The fact is, the SEC is the strongest conference in the country most seasons. This isn't one of them. It's always tough to look yourself in the mirror, so if you won't listen to me, SEC fans, perhaps you should hear what they're saying in other parts of the country:

Is it just me, or are the top teams in the SEC playing incredibly sloppy football? Outside of LSU's win over 3-4 Arizona State, what have any of the top six teams done to suggest they are playing any better than Colorado or Minnesota?
-- Ben, Tucson, Ariz.


Why won't someone come out and say how pathetic the SEC's offenses are? Alabama over Tennessee, 6-3? LSU-Auburn 17-17 in regulation? Please. These teams would have no chance with a top team from any other top conference. Even if their defense holds for 10 points, their offense won't score more than 6!
-- Shiva B., San Diego, Calif.

It's not that I don't appreciate good defenses, of which the conference has a whole bunch. But I do tend to favor teams that are at least functional on the other side of the ball. Alabama was the closest thing the conference had to a "complete" team this year, but without Tyrone Prothro, the Tide's offense is borderline impotent. Georgia's is in danger of going in the same direction without quarterback D.J. Shockley. LSU's offense is inconsistent; Auburn's is young; Florida's is a mess and Tennessee's was a joke even before losing Gerald Riggs Jr. And, in a true sign of the state of the conference this season, as opposed to previous years, the other six teams aren't even worth mentioning. As a more lucid SEC alum in my office said this week, you can sum up the conference this season with a word: "unwatchable."

Now, compare that to the ACC, which not only has three teams that could play with anyone in the SEC (Virginia Tech, Florida State and Miami) but also no less than six other teams (Boston College, Clemson, Virginia, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest and North Carolina) capable of beating those squads on any given week. In the Pac-10, the current seventh-place team, Arizona State, came within a stone's throw of beating top-10 foes USC and LSU, and the eighth-place team, Washington State, was a combined seven points from beating 7-0 UCLA and 6-2 Cal.

In my current conference pecking order, the SEC falls behind those two leagues, but ahead of the defensively-challenged Big Ten and one-horse Big 12. Then again, how would I know? Perhaps if the Tide or Bulldogs had beaten an Ohio State or Notre Dame in their non-conference slate rather than Middle Tennessee, Southern Miss, Utah State, Boise State or Louisiana-Monroe, I'd have a better measuring stick. In the absence of that, perhaps the best point of comparison you can make is this: USC gained more yards against Arkansas in a two-minute span (261) than Georgia did against the Razorbacks over the course of an entire game (217).
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Then I guess the Indianapolis Colts and the Jacksonville Jaguars suck, too, right?. You know, since the Colts only beat the Jags 10-3, a low scoring affair.

I guess if you play in the patty cake, patty cake, baker's man leauge (Pac 10), where the defenses are as soft as a cloud, and where Hellen Keller would be a #1 recruit as a LB, you can score a gazillion points.


Why don't you leave the football talk to the big boys, minion.


Oh yeah, ask Texas Tech how tough the 2nd best team from the Pac 10 is.

Stanford's 3-1 in the Pac 10 conference. Guess who they lost to?----UC DAVIS!!!


New Hampshire, South Dakota St., and Portland St. have all beaten UC Davis.

What's worse is Stanford beat Washington State, who barely lost to Cal and UCLA.
 
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Flame me if you please, but I tend to agree. The SEC lacks offensive firepower this year, and that's a fact. I mean, Meyer's system lacks the bang many people expected, Auburn lost a ridiculous 1-2 punch at tailback, Prothro's injury kills Bama, Shockley's down, Tennessee failed to impress with either last year's "freshman sensation" or "Heistman-candidate" Riggs. . . .the list goes on. Who are the offensive stars in the conference? Brodie Croyle???? Please.

Before everyone bitches and moans too much, do realize that he said "Look, I'm not trying to be mean. The fact is, the SEC is the strongest conference in the country most seasons."

It will be interesting to see some of the bowl matchups, especially if Georgia and Alabama can find a way to run out undefeated into the SECCG.
 
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There are some great defenses in the league this eyar, but he's right, the offense in this league blows this year. Ours is by far the worst, but none of them are especially great.
 
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Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Oct 27, 2005 12:32 PM
Flame me if you please, but I tend to agree.  The SEC lacks offensive firepower this year, and that's a fact.  I mean, Meyer's system lacks the bang many people expected, Auburn lost a ridiculous 1-2 punch at tailback, Prothro's injury kills Bama, Shockley's down, Tennessee failed to impress with either last year's "freshman sensation" or "Heistman-candidate" Riggs. . . .the list goes on.  Who are the offensive stars in the conference?  Brodie Croyle????  Please.

Before everyone bitches and moans too much, do realize that he said "Look, I'm not trying to be mean. The fact is, the SEC is the strongest conference in the country most seasons."

It will be interesting to see some of the bowl matchups, especially if Georgia and Alabama can find a way to run out undefeated into the SECCG.
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I agree doc. The SEC is decidedly a defensive league this year (and trending that way more times than not these days). It takes a really good offense to motor through TN, UGA, BAMA, FL, and AUB most of the time.

The fact that USC embarassed ARK is really no surprise. I mean, USC's offense is spectacular, especially when the other team has NO offense. ARK stays in the game with the other SEC teams because no one has the offense that USC has. Thus, that close to the vest running game type of plan keeps things close in our league.

However, if you have Spurrier TN's talent, he'd be ripping through it just like he always did. If you think about it, we'd be undefeated right now if we had an AVERAGE offense.
 
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You're right. If we had an average offense, we'd be 5-1 at worst. I'm not sure we would have beaten UGA, regardless. It was special teams that hurt us there.
 
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Originally posted by orangetd88@Oct 27, 2005 12:46 PM
It was special teams that hurt us there.
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With the way our "special" teams are playing, I'm not convinced that they wouldn't find a way to lose games for us even IF our offense was OK.
 
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Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Oct 27, 2005 12:57 PM
With the way our "special" teams are playing, I'm not convinced that they wouldn't find a way to lose games for us even IF our offense was OK.
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Unfortunately - and amazingly - that may very well be true. This could quite possibly be the worst special teams performance I have ever witnessed. We've sucked in the return game and coverage game for a while, but these boys have added in turnovers and penalty after penalty.

Can anyone honestly ever remember worse special teams...from any team?

Clue: Fulmer admitted before the BAMA game that our returns teams "looked less confused" out there. Huh? Does he mean to tell me that our special teams "scheme" is also too difficult for mere mortals to learn? It's enough that we have to hear that garbage about our offense being complex; but not a punt return team!
 

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