SEC trying to split NCAA

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Whole lot of stories floating around about the SEC commissionaire joining forces with other conference commissioners (namely big 12, but others to follow) and making a power play against the ncaa.

Lots of reasons for this, but it all comes down to one reason...money. If they split the league they can play buy their own rules and the rich get richer. I can see them joining forces with the BCS and forming a "rich league" and a "poor league". Something along those lines. They can then open up all kinds of possibilities where they compete with the ncaa to pad their pockets more. Who benefits? The conference commissioners, the school presidents, the BCS. I also read that the commissioners are going to be on the committee to choose the new "playoffs", which pretty much defeats the purpose.

It's all part of one big plan, and the devil leaves a money trail.

Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby says NCAA must transform - ESPN

SEC finalizing non-College Football Playoff bowls, sources say - ESPN
 
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While I'm at it, if this new law suite stands it will mean players will start getting paid...then what? are they professionals at that point? Enjoy this season, it will be the last. Big changes coming as of next year.
 
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It looks to me like another NFL model, where players are paid, a split league, and a playoff situation.
 
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In theory it looks good..."give the people what they want" will be the reasoning. The problem being only a handful of people will have their hands in the money pile. They are making their play now.
 
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The big boys are tired of the little guys having a vote in how they operate and there are more little guys. The big schools want control of everything from finances to compliance.
 
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Yep, they multiple, solid, sound reasons for doing this. You cant make a move like this without solid excuses But, you know what the end result is going to be. About half a dozen guys controlling all of college ball.
 
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The top five BCS conferences (Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12, ACC, SEC) want to start a Division 4 where they can set their own rules.
 
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What would happen is these five conferences would become the mega conferences we have heard so much about. They've been working toward this the last few years getting all their ducks in a row. Five mega conferences with 14 teams each would be 70 schools that matter essentially.
 
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Nope, there isnt. I really don't have a problem with it except for the paying the players part. Alot of the NCAA rules are stupid but I don't think players should get more than full cost of attendance.
 
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No one should kid themselves: the haves and the have-nots in FBS have been playing a different game for decades. The big money controls football more than any other college sport. And you can't ditch your have-not status unless the haves invite you to the party (see TCU, Rutgers).

I'm not sure if they power conferences will ditch the NCAA, though they certainly could. But I don't think they'll have to. The NCAA doesn't run major college football, they simply help regulate it. If the power conferences don't want the NCAA's help anymore, then there is nothing the NCAA can do about it.
 
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To quote someone else on the matter:

Earlier today we told you that a) ACC commissioner John Swofford was talking about “need-based” financial aid for student-athletes yesterday and b) we still believe a new division of “haves” — apart from the “have-nots” — will eventually be formed at the high end of the current FBS subdivision.

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We’ll start with Swofford — commissioner of the least wealthy of the five mega-wealthy leagues remaining — who explained why a new division might be preferable to a full break from the NCAA:



“(A new division is) a potential way of making a change that would basically retain the fundamental NCAA oversight and umbrella, if you will. If the five conferences were to break off, I mean, that’s a complicated move. You’d have to, in essence, duplicate the NCAA in some form or fashion, and then what does that mean for intercollegiate athletics?

So if you’ve got another division, if that’s the answer within the NCAA, you can maneuver and find an appropriate way, I think, to address (issues like player stipends).”


As we’ve noted many times before, a full-scale exodus from the NCAA would require the power conferences to adopt a new rule book, hire new leaders, hire new enforcement officials, etc, etc. That’s just not going to happen.

A new division will happen. The biggest conferences — and one wonders where the ACC is on this considering Swofford’s comments of a day ago — want to be given the power to decide for themselves who they pay, how much they pay, and how they go about doing it. But a proposed stipend for athletes was gunned down at the NCAA level because the presidents at the many “have-not” schools can’t afford to increase scholarships or pay stipends to athletes. And they also don’t want to be left behind on the recruiting trail by schools who can afford it.

For that reason, the biggest conferences (ACC, Big Ten, Big XII, Pac-12, and SEC) will have to threaten to leave altogether — Mike Slive hinted at a break last week — before the NCAA presidents vote to allow them to just form their own division at the highest level of the NCAA food chain.

For now, it’s politics. Smaller school presidents can say, “Go ahead and leave” knowing that the bigger schools probably can’t or won’t. The bigger school presidents will have to bluff otherwise.
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The underlined portion being why you're not going to see the major conferences break off and form their own collegiate athletics or semi-pro league.


The major change you'll most likely see is another division with college athletics between the big-money haves and the little money have nots (in a same manner of division as how Division 1 is divided up into FBS and FCS...or if the smaller ones aren't willing to drop into a subdivision, then they could be divided into fully separate divisions. Though the former seems preferable as far as managing overall scheduling).
 
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Hopvol said:
What would happen is these five conferences would become the mega conferences we have heard so much about. They've been working toward this the last few years getting all their ducks in a row. Five mega conferences with 14 teams each would be 70 schools that matter essentially.
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Or they'd just be divided off into their own division the same way FBS schools are divided off from FCS schools....or at an unlikely further extreme, Division 1 is to Division 2 (though that's a massive shift)
 
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The problem we have is what most Americans don't realize, we are the only country in the world that combines the next level of sports with collegiate athletics. There is no NCAA equivalent in Europe. There is no Oxford Soccer team, no Keel University Fighting Fish, their best athletes go where they are supposed to go, a semi professional league, or straight to the league if they are good enough. They have it right. Combining education and athletics at the college level is not only redundant, but retards both. Yes, some kids like that free education, but most of those kids would rather make 50k a year to play that same sport. Being an athlete at the professional level is a year round job these days, and the level college sports has reached is as good as some leagues in europe (basketball) and in others (American football) outright better.

It's time we stop pretending we are doing these kids a service by taking billions and giving them a "free education" to make up for it. We can still have the Tennessee, Ohio State, etc. teams sponsored by the universities, but stop with pretending that these 1 and done players, or these three year football kids really care about education when they are just training for the league and trying to avoid injury.

tl:dr

Screw the NCAA, its time we adopt the rest of the world's (correct) model of semi pro sports and stop tying them in with college.
 
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Hopvol said:
They've talked about a Division 4.

Look for Division 4 to revolutionize college athletics - CBSSports.com
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Yeah I just saw you posted that article as well.



Though I've never been sure how much Bowlsby speaks for everyone outside his own conference... they (conference commishes) seemingly talk somewhat different directions (save the reorganization of college football parts)


But the main point we both are saying here (my post above the one you're quoting included) is that the conferences wouldn't be leaving and forming their own collegiate athletics organization...
 
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