Secrecy in the ESPN/USA today poll?

Should coaches' weekly ballots be made public?


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Most coaches enjoy anonymity of voting

By Rob Biertempfel
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, September 26, 2004


Boise State football coach Dan Hawkins thought it would be fun to reveal how he voted in the national coaches top 25 poll.
Every week last season, a Boise newspaper published Hawkins' ballot next to one cast by a local sportswriter who voted in the media poll. By the end of the year, however, Hawkins vowed never to do it again.

"There's always some intrigue and drama to it, which helps sell papers," Hawkins said. "But the end result for me -- the heartache -- wasn't worth it.

"It doesn't matter whether it's your team or somebody else's, you just get bombarded by emails and phone calls. It ends up being another issue that we don't need to deal with, so I quit doing it."

Most of the 61 coaches who participate in the ESPN/USA Today poll guard their ballots as much as they do their playbooks. But that could change, now that the polls carry more weight in the Bowl Championship Series selection process.

With so much money at stake -- the per-team payout for each BCS bowl game is $13 million -- there are questions about the ethics of allowing anonymous voters to sway the process.

"A lot of voting is based on tradition and it's very hard for a new school to break into that," said Fresno State coach Pat Hill, who makes his ballot public each week.

"You can bet on one thing: if we're playing (a team), I'm voting 'em high," Texas A&M coach Dennis Franchione said.

Dick Weiss, president of the Football Writers Association of America, likened that to "parents voting in a beauty pagent in which their little girl is entered."

The voters in The Associated Press media poll are required to reveal their ballots. The Atlantic Coast Sports Media Association and the FWAA want the coaches to also come clean.

The two groups recently challenged the coaches' code of silence in a letter to Grant Teaff, executive director of the American Football Coaches Association.

It is the AFCA, not financial backers ESPN and USA Today, that controls the coaches' poll.

The AFCA polls its members every year about making their ballots public. This year, Teaff said, 88 of the 117 Division I coaches voted against it.

"We'll vote on it again next January, and I would be very shocked if it changes," Teaff said.

A handful of coaches, most notably Bob Stoops of Oklahoma, are willing to go public. But most -- including Joe Paterno of Penn State, Walt Harris of Pitt and Rich Rodriguez of West Virginia -- are opposed to revealing their ballots.

"It's my personal opinion and I'd like to keep it personal," Harris said.

"We've got enough things that we do naturally to get ourselves in trouble," Ohio State's Jim Tressel said. "I don't know that we need to add one more."

Said Paterno, "If you disclose it, you have friends in the business or other people who can be alienated by it."

In November 1997, someone leaked Paterno's ballot -- which had Florida State in the top spot instead of Michigan. The voting was done a day after Michigan had upset then-No. 2 Penn State.

Paterno later admitted his ballot was filled out and submitted by associate athletic director Budd Thalman. At the end of the year, Michigan was rated No. 1 in the AP poll; Nebraska finished atop the coaches' poll.

The deadline for submitting ballots is 11 a.m., three hours later than last year. But it still is hard for voters on the East Coast to keep up with the late games on the West Coast. It's even worse for coaches who get in late from road games and who have staff meetings early Sunday morning.

"It's difficult when it's so close down near the end of the season, and you don't actually get a chance to see the teams actually play," said UCF coach George O'Leary. "You have to go based on just what you've read or what you've heard."

O'Leary relies on SportsCenter for information. Paterno gets help from new associate AD Fran Ganter. Harris huddles with his staff and makes his picks in "about 20 minutes."

In November, Teaff will ask the coaches to agree to a compromise that would make public only the final ballot that determines the BCS national championship game. That way, he said, voters would not have to worry about offending their peers and creating bulletin board material.

"I think that's a very fair and decent idea," Teaff said.

"If they made me do it, I wouldn't cry about it and I'd still go ahead and (vote)," Rodriguez said. "But I think it's better the way it is."
 
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Forget the lunacy of GA being ranked 7 spots ahead of us, everybody's made that argument. How in the blue hell is GA ranked ahead of both Cal and Texas whose only losses have been close games against the #1 and #2 teams in their own poll?

Georgia's ranking alone is enough for me to consider the entire Coach's Poll to be a complete joke. Why don't they just end the charade and make the USA Today poll an AD poll? There's no way you can expect coaches to have the time or objectivity to make for an accurate poll. One coach's vendetta or lack of information could potentially cost a school millions in the BCS.

...and besides, there are a lot of coaches working today who obviously can't evaluate their own talent, much less somebody else's. :blink:
 
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The USA TODAY/ESPN Board of Coaches is made up of 61 head coaches at Division I-A institutions. All are members of the American Football Coaches Association.

This season’s board:
Barry Alvarez, Wisconsin;
Chuck Amato, North Carolina State;
Gary Barnett, Colorado;
Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech;
Mike Bellotti, Oregon;
Phil Bennett, Southern Methodist;
Jack Bicknell, Louisiana Tech;
Bobby Bowden, Florida State;
Tommy Bowden, Clemson;
Jeff Bower, Southern Mississippi;
Gregg Brandon, Bowling Green;
Mack Brown, Texas;
Watson Brown, Alabama-Birmingham;
Lloyd Carr, Michigan;
Larry Coker, Miami (Fla.);
Gary Crowton, Brigham Young;
David Cutcliffe, Mississippi;
Gary Darnell, Western Michigan;
Darrell Dickey, North Texas;
Bill Doba, Washington State;
Dennis Franchione, Texas A&M;
Ralph Friedgen, Maryland;
Phillip Fulmer, Tennessee;
Joe Glenn, Wyoming;
Walt Harris, Pittsburgh;
Dan Hawkins, Boise State;
Fitz Hill, San Jose State;
Pat Hill, Fresno State;
Terry Hoeppner, Miami (Ohio);
Brady Hoke, Ball State;
Lou Holtz, South Carolina;
Dirk Koetter, Arizona State;
Jim Leavitt, South Florida;
Rocky Long, New Mexico;
Sonny Lubick, Colorado State;
Dan McCarney, Iowa State;
Andy McCollum, Middle Tennessee;
Glen Mason, Minnesota;
Les Miles, Oklahoma State;
Joe Novak, Northern Illinois;
Houston Nutt, Arkansas;
Tom O'Brien, Boston College;
George O'Leary, Central Florida;
Joe Paterno, Penn State;
Gary Patterson, TCU;
Bobby Petrino, Louisville;
Gary Pinkel, Missouri;
Bob Pruett, Marshall;
Mark Richt, Georgia;
Steve Roberts, Arkansas State;
Rich Rodriguez, West Virginia;
Nick Saban, LSU;
John L. Smith, Michigan State;
Bob Stoops, Oklahoma;
Mike Stoops, Arizona;
Jeff Tedford, California;
Jim Tressel, Ohio State;
Tommy Tuberville, Auburn;
Ron Turner, Illinois;
Charlie Weatherbie, Louisiana-Monroe;
Tyrone Willingham, Notre Dame.
 
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O'Leary relies on SportsCenter for information.


Its no wonder that Georgia is rated higher than Tennessee (even after the Vols beat them in Athens) if the voters are using ESPN as their main information source. The coverage after the game (1) did not show any of Tennessee's touchdowns; (2) showed only Georgia's 4th quarter attempt to comeback; and (3) attributed the win more to Georgia's breakdown than Tennessee's quality of play.

:espn:
 
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i think it would be great if 3-5 of the coaches picks' had to be chosen by the NCAA at random every week and published on the sports wires, youd never know if and when you might be chosen so you be more likely to give an honest opinion.
 
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Its conceivable that several coaches* left Tennessee off their ballot all together. That would account for the inconsistencies between the AP and UE polls. The lost points don't impact the ranking too much, but its enough to drop a team from say 11th to 13th.


* Its common knowledge that some coaches let assistants, managers, sports information director, etc fill out the ballot for them.
 
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I say NO, and here is why. With all of the pressure that college coaches have to go through (especially during the season), why add even more by revealing who they vote for. You know as well as I do that if a team didn't get a certain ranking and the rival school coach was one of the reasons why, then it would cause more controversy. The writers just want something else to write about, so they would be able to play off of the voting records by coaches.
 
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What about the case where a coach's team is neck-and-neck for the no. 2 spot in the BCS. The coach knows that no one will see his ballot. He leaves the team that he's competing against off the ballot all-together. Even a 3rd place vote is worth 23 pts and very conceivably shift one team over another for no. 2 in the BCS.
 
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whats more likely, a coach voting with ethics ranking fairly where each team is in his mind by skill level.....or a coach who not only votes his team higher than it deserves but votes or doesnt vote for the maximum level of hurt he can put on all other teams rivals included? :question: Only a playoff bracket system will show the best team, and that will not happen until some genius can step up with a plan on how everyone who makes obscene amounts of $ will be able to do the same or better with a playoff. Its the American way, dont do whats right , do what makes you the most $. American politics...accept no substitute :dunno:
 
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They need to be public knowledge. this might keep the polls a little more honest. If they know that what they vote is public I would be willing to bet that the Coaches Poll would look alot different.
 
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Talk about some bulletin board material! What if your opponent and his players know where you put them in the poll. The other problem is the media (as stated above). More mountains out of tiny mole hills.

Besides, with the way the BCS works, a coach like Fulmer is more likely to jack his annual opponents up in the poll than he is to knock them down.

What if ESPN and USA Today policed their poll and, perhaps, disqualified a coach if he consistently voted out of whack or for/against a particular team? :question:
 

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