Should Taxpayers Be Subsidizing Oceanfront Development

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Seeing terrible numbers on deaths from Hurricane Ian. As of this morning they've confirmed at least 70 dead.

Whether you want to accept that global warming is increasing the severity hurricanes, it's clear we are having a lot more Cat 4/5s than we did when I was young. We didn't notice the bad ones as much, other than Camille that was pretty brutal, because our coastal areas were not as developed. But now the coast lines are heavily developed and one of the reasons is the Federal Flood Program. If it did not subsidize flood insurance, premiums would be 3 to 4 times higher. Example, one of my clients has an $8 million house in the Keys. Without the federal insurance his annual premiums would be $75,000, with it they are $20,000. There would be much less development without it.

It also encourages risky development. For example, Sanibel Island is a barrier island. Barrier islands move, it's their nature. But because of flood insurance there were 600 residences on the island. If they had to buy insurance like the average homeowner does, it would have been cost-prohibitive. Insurance companies hate barrier islands, but they can make money insuring the homes as long as the federal subsidy exists. BTW, you can expect the insurance companies to declare all damage to be flood damage despite the 160 kt winds, and to litigate each contrary claim. They will want the taxpayers to cover this.

Finally, because they have flood insurance the owners want to rebuild which means the taxpayers are actually going to pay to rebuild Sanibel including dredging and land replenishment. We'll be rebuilding some islands that planet earth doesn't consider to be stable.

That's what they did in NC. Prior to the 90's NC had a policy where they would not rebuild barrier islands. But they eliminated the restrictions on development and since then the states spends hundreds of millions of dollars rebuilding the islands only to watch it wash away each year.

The feds should not be doing this. BTW, if you say we should keep subsidizing, you should disclose whether you or your family owns a place on a beach. There estimates that if the program were ended it would reduce coastal real estate values in Florida by 40%.
 
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Just an FYI on "climate change"

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/hurricanes-frequency-danger-climate-change-atlantic

But one of the reasons you see more catastrophic damage is because people are (stupidly) building multi million dollar homes not rated for tropical cyclones nor the flooding they bring.

And no, the government shouldn't be subsidizing such things. As the Good Book once said, the wise man builds his house upon the rock. Those that build homes not rated for fierce storms are taking their chances and let them do it.
 
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I don’t care because it doesn’t even matter .
 
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Absolutely not. If you can afford to build on the coast, you should be able to afford the associated cost of ownership. Or, you can afford to accept the risk of losing it.
 
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Seeing terrible numbers on deaths from Hurricane Ian. As of this morning they've confirmed at least 70 dead.

Whether you want to accept that global warming is increasing the severity hurricanes, it's clear we are having a lot more Cat 4/5s than we did when I was young. We didn't notice the bad ones as much, other than Camille that was pretty brutal, because our coastal areas were not as developed. But now the coast lines are heavily developed and one of the reasons is the Federal Flood Program. If it did not subsidize flood insurance, premiums would be 3 to 4 times higher. Example, one of my clients has an $8 million house in the Keys. Without the federal insurance his annual premiums would be $75,000, with it they are $20,000. There would be much less development without it.

It also encourages risky development. For example, Sanibel Island is a barrier island. Barrier islands move, it's their nature. But because of flood insurance there were 600 residences on the island. If they had to buy insurance like the average homeowner does, it would have been cost-prohibitive. Insurance companies hate barrier islands, but they can make money insuring the homes as long as the federal subsidy exists. BTW, you can expect the insurance companies to declare all damage to be flood damage despite the 160 kt winds, and to litigate each contrary claim. They will want the taxpayers to cover this.

Finally, because they have flood insurance the owners want to rebuild which means the taxpayers are actually going to pay to rebuild Sanibel including dredging and land replenishment. We'll be rebuilding some islands that planet earth doesn't consider to be stable.

That's what they did in NC. Prior to the 90's NC had a policy where they would not rebuild barrier islands. But they eliminated the restrictions on development and since then the states spends hundreds of millions of dollars rebuilding the islands only to watch it wash away each year.

The feds should not be doing this. BTW, if you say we should keep subsidizing, you should disclose whether you or your family owns a place on a beach. There estimates that if the program were ended it would reduce coastal real estate values in Florida by 40%.
II'm split on this.

1. No, those people chose to move into these high hurricane risk areas

2. We are sending billions to Ukraine. At the very least, we could be sending billions to rebuild America.
 
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II'm split on this.

1. No, those people chose to move into these high hurricane risk areas

2. We are sending billions to Ukraine. At the very least, we could be sending billions to rebuild America.

3. We just learned that ( insert huge ass Irony here ) the “ Inflation reduction act “ that was just passed , had billions of dollars tucked away in it so their newly created “plant and animal biodiversity “ czar would have plenty of power and leverage to do what she wanted .
 
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Taxpayers shouldn’t be subsidizing any private endeavors. Farming, student loans, corporate welfare, bank bailouts, etc.
 
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