Should the need for players be a factor in deciding whether to lift the suspensions?

Consider the team's need for the players in lifting the suspensions?

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lawgator1

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Reading arguments for and against leniency. Some flat out say leniency called for because the team needs these players for depth purposes, which I read to mean that some on here think that the value of the players involved to the success of the team should be considered in deciding whether to lift the suspensions.

I have said for some time that Meyer was wrong when he let people back on after gun offenses. I just can't abide that. On some pot offenses, I am a little less inclined to ban them.

So the question is, given that this involved guns and the overall circumstances, when Pearl sits down and decides what to do, should he consider the team's need for these players to be successful on the court? Or, should he decide it solely on the seriousness of what the players did and the long terms need to be a disciplinarian, both for these kids' sake, sake of the reputation of the university, recruiting, and potential future victims of criminal acts by these or other players?
 
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is this another "hit and run" or are you gonna stick around LG? Your last effort was a driveby.
 
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I think if the 2 passed the drug test, they should come back soon, although I checked no.

I do think the suspensions should be lifted on those two, but not because we need players. Do it because they were just accomplices to a minor, victimless crime. DUI is worse, and plenty of guys stay on the team after that.
 
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You can't comprimise the integrity of UT and the Athletic Dept. because we want a tourney run :disappointed: If anything, this situation has brought the team closer together and will benefit in the long run.
 
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OrangeNYC said:
I think if the 2 passed the drug test, they should come back soon, although I checked no.

I do think the suspensions should be lifted on those two, but not because we need players. Do it because they were just accomplices to a minor, victimless crime. DUI is worse, and plenty of guys stay on the team after that.
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you are right on the money...winner winner...Chicken dinner!!!
 
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I actually expect a lively and well thought out debate on this. Its a valid question, with good arguments on both sides.

Personally, I am torn.
 
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People are never treated the same. If you poor and strange you're nuts. If you're rich and strange you're ecentric. No coach, parent, manager, or business owner every treats the people answering to him the same. Bobby Bowdin was famous for throwing a 3 star off the team and keeping the 4 star on even if they were caught together at the same time for the same thing. I also, as a business owner, don't treat my employees the same. My top sales people could be doing lines of coke in their offices while doing the horrizontal limbo witha donkey and as long as I wasn't going to jail for it and they made me money I could care less; on the other hand, my bottom feeders who are only here to fill a seat until I can hire someone else in who can do the job better, those people I'd fire for being late. It's just how things work. Nobody remembers Jamal Lewis had problems with the police over his affiliation with drug dealers, we just remember beating FSU in the championship game.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
People are never treated the same. If you poor and strange you're nuts. If you're rich and strange you're ecentric. No coach, parent, manager, or business owner every treats the people answering to him the same. Bobby Bowdin was famous for throwing a 3 star off the team and keeping the 4 star on even if they were caught together at the same time for the same thing. I also, as a business owner, don't treat my employees the same. My top sales people could be doing lines of coke in their offices while doing the horrizontal limbo witha donkey and as long as I wasn't going to jail for it and they made me money I could care less; on the other hand, my bottom feeders who are only here to fill a seat until I can hire someone else in who can do the job better, those people I'd fire for being late. It's just how things work. Nobody remembers Jamal Lewis had problems with the police over his affiliation with drug dealers, we just remember beating FSU in the championship game.
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Exactly---and the NCAA got so mad at Alabama they put Slippery Rock on probation.
 
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OrangeNYC said:
I think if the 2 passed the drug test, they should come back soon, although I checked no.

I do think the suspensions should be lifted on those two, but not because we need players. Do it because they were just accomplices to a minor, victimless crime. DUI is worse, and plenty of guys stay on the team after that.
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If you think the altered firearm is MINOR, see what happens if they catch you or me in that sit.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Reading arguments for and against leniency. Some flat out say leniency called for because the team needs these players for depth purposes, which I read to mean that some on here think that the value of the players involved to the success of the team should be considered in deciding whether to lift the suspensions.

I have said for some time that Meyer was wrong when he let people back on after gun offenses. I just can't abide that. On some pot offenses, I am a little less inclined to ban them.

So the question is, given that this involved guns and the overall circumstances, when Pearl sits down and decides what to do, should he consider the team's need for these players to be successful on the court? Or, should he decide it solely on the seriousness of what the players did and the long terms need to be a disciplinarian, both for these kids' sake, sake of the reputation of the university, recruiting, and potential future victims of criminal acts by these or other players?
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The guns in the car weren't the property of all 4 players in the car. None of the other offenses warrant being kicked off the team.

Tatum and Goins have already served enough suspension and should be back soon. Brian Williams should be suspended for a couple of more games and then allowed back.

The one who should be most harshly punished is already off the team and will be making 100k plus in Europe.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
The guns in the car weren't the property of all 4 players in the car. None of the other offenses warrant being kicked off the team.

Tatum and Goins have already served enough suspension and should be back soon. Brian Williams should be suspended for a couple of more games and then allowed back.

The one who should be most harshly punished is already off the team and will be making 100k plus in Europe.
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You get into a car with somebody who has a gun that's not suppose to and you don't get out then it's your fault. I'm sure some coach would drive 130 miles to come pick you up if you said, "hey coach was about to get into this car and I found out they had a gun. Sorry for bothering you but I need a ride home."
 
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I think you consider it all while keeping the vision of the program in the direction you want it headed.
 
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JohnWardForever said:
If you think the altered firearm is MINOR, see what happens if they catch you or me in that sit.
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Seriously? Even Tyler's not looking at any jail time and they were his guns. Being around a guy who has an altered firearm that isn't suspected in a crime really isn't a big deal, especially in the land of guns, Tennessee. If some drunk guy can legally pack heat at the bar or buy an AK, surely you don't think being next to a guy with a pistol is that big of a deal? I think a multi-game suspension is plenty for wrong place-wrong time incidents like this. How have they missed more games than Janzen Jackson did? Their role was less than his, and nobody was using Tyler's guns for anything criminal. These kids need to come back soon.
 
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People today trip all over themselves to be politically correct. Misdemeanors should not even evoke such debate. Especially ones that do not involve other people's pain, property,or well being. Old school sentiment but there are to many people whom beleive that they are in the position, have the right and indeed god given providence to sit in complete life decisive control of their interpretation of other people lives. That are also to willing to skip past the actual rules and the right thing to do.
 
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