Should we still be there?

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I know that the mentallity of the public is most likely 180 degrees from a soldiers. I can not think like a soldier because I am not one. The real ut made a comment that we have a volunteer army and that is a point I did not think about to much when I wished our soldiers home. I still want our soldiers home from this badly planned war. Why, because are soldiers have been turned into police men (fish in a barrel) there job or duty is to go in kick a$$ like they did and get out. Patroling streets was not part of training when they signed up. Do you think they said drive this hummer around for months years and dont get killed, BS. Wrong or right they are in a bad situation acting as police and just this week a guy that lives 10 miles away was killed and left behind a pretty wife and for what? Like I said Real, I cant think like a soldier but logic is logic.In closing I will say soldiers are heros and I support them but not the politics that got them there.
 
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Infantry officers and soldiers have been learning MOUT (Military Operations in Urban Terrain) tactics and techniques for decades. Presence patrols have been a part of our repetoire for as long. While the primary purpose of our military is to fight battles, we have been trained (maybe the training has been pushed to the bottom of most METLs) to conduct police actions in civilian environments.
 
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Our soldiers should be doing all of this in Saudi Arabia, not Iraq.
 
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therealUT said:
Infantry officers and soldiers have been learning MOUT (Military Operations in Urban Terrain) tactics and techniques for decades. Presence patrols have been a part of our repetoire for as long. While the primary purpose of our military is to fight battles, we have been trained (maybe the training has been pushed to the bottom of most METLs) to conduct police actions in civilian environments.
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MOUT training and METLs aside, we're really good at killing the enemy and breaking things. We should be really good at that. As for policing actions, we're absolutely fish out of water. We've never done it well and are never going to do it well. Who has done it well under trying circumstances? Russians under Stalin maybe, but that was with his own people.
 
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I think our infantry can do a fine job performing police actions. This is dependent upon the American people accepting the fact that we are soldiers and we will take casualties, so that we can dismount and make our presence known on every city block in Baghdad, through constant patrolling.
 
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And what happens when all calm takes place, our troops come home, and then the bad people come back out? Are we ready to just admit we're there for decades?
 
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CSpindizzy said:
And what happens when all calm takes place, our troops come home, and then the bad people come back out? Are we ready to just admit we're there for decades?
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Our government is ready to admit it. We're building no less than 4 permanent military bases in the country.
 
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therealUT said:
I think our infantry can do a fine job performing police actions. This is dependent upon the American people accepting the fact that we are soldiers and we will take casualties, so that we can dismount and make our presence known on every city block in Baghdad, through constant patrolling.
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Can do a fine job policing vs. has historically done a great job at combat shows a glaring problem. Relative weakness in policing says we should avoid it. Keep things on the military's best terms - fighting. My idea of effective policing in Baghdad is a full on siege. Let their god sort 'em out.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Can do a fine job policing vs. has historically done a great job at combat shows a glaring problem. Relative weakness in policing says we should avoid it. Keep things on the military's best terms - fighting. My idea of effective policing in Baghdad is a full on siege. Let their god sort 'em out.
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Carpet bombing?

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Had we not allowed these militias full rights and to keep their arms, much of this problem would not have happened. In almost every other conflict the occupational forces disarm all parties and start from scratch on security. Instead we left security of local areas to these thugs and rogues.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Had we not allowed these militias full rights and to keep their arms, much of this problem would not have happened. In almost every other conflict the occupational forces disarm all parties and start from scratch on security. Instead we left security of local areas to these thugs and rogues.
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That makes too much sense.............not very pc.
 
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