Slow Snap

[UTProf]

I think this may be affecting the OLINE's protection and maybe even the false starts a bit...

Ever since Dobbs came in the snaps have been very slow. Not much speed behind them at all. However it's to the point where it slows down the play and is likely giving opposing defenses the time they need to breakthrough coverage and sack our QB.

I know that Stone has had issues snapping before/getting the kinks worked out due to being left handed and Bray wanting him to snap right handed and I expected a 'safe' snap for the time Dobbs went in for Bama and even for Mizzou. But I was surprised it continued against Auburn. Is there not a medium speed for them to use now that Dobbs has been taking reps and gotten some playing time?

It just seems it's giving the defense too much time advantage to get to our quarterback when seconds and even fractions of a second matter when it comes to the line being able to protect the QB and the QB being able to get off a play.

I hope this is something that is worked on in the bye week.

Thoughts?

 

[Recoil]

Noticed it as well. Found myself shouting at the TV, 'snap it harder'!

Definitely threw off rhythm in the backfield.

 

[SpringBokVol]

I agree. This needs to be fixed.

 

[Spartacavolus]

All year. High and slow. Throws off the timing of an offense based on timing.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Noticed it as well. Found myself shouting at the TV, 'snap it harder'!

:lol: lol:

 

[Recoil]

:lol: lol:

No S&M.

 

[Fullfillmer]

I agree. This needs to be fixed.

While I agree - slowest snap in the NCAA - it has been slow for Worley, and slow for Bray - not a new development. I always thought you wanted to be crispness - starting with the snap. At times the qbs have been jumping for balls over their head, etc. as well. Not the ideal situation. I think it will be tolerated or overlooked for two more games but I do think it impacts the execution of the plays- if nothing else it impacts the qbs ability to carry out their fakes.

I should point out that I could not begin to snap with my opposite hand - but that just raises the other ugly question. I personally would rather have it zipped back into my midsection than have it lazily float over my head but have the seams facing the right way.

 

[KingtUT]

While I agree - slowest snap in the NCAA - it has been slow for Worley, and slow for Bray - not a new development. I always thought you wanted to be crispness - starting with the snap. At times the qbs have been jumping for balls over their head, etc. as well. Not the ideal situation. I think it will be tolerated or overlooked for two more games but I do think it impacts the execution of the plays- if nothing else it impacts the qbs ability to carry out their fakes.

I should point out that I could not begin to snap with my opposite hand - but that just raises the other ugly question. I personally would rather have it zipped back into my midsection than have it lazily float over my head but have the seams facing the right way.

Seems like it got noticably slower when Dobbs started. Dont know why. Needs to get back there much quicker.

 

[Coug]

Not making excuses but it could also be contributing to Tiny's line jumps.

 

[KingtUT]

Not making excuses but it could also be contributing to Tiny's line jumps.

It makes it look worse thats for sure. Tiny is usaually two steps off the line of scrimmage by the time Dobbs catches the snap.

 

[Vols4us]

So if you know you have an odd situation snapping the ball at center that creates issues to deal with and you know you have been happy with the play of Mack Crowder when he has been in there - why do you not move Stone back to OG where he belongs and play Crowder? Mahoney is on record weeks ago praising Crowder. It's not like Bullard has played well this year, or the O-line unit as a whole.

I know - not supposed to question Butch and staff. Right.

 

[keckjm]

Another real problem is that Dobbs can't make check downs by himself. This makes the O-line wait for the call from the sidelines and it seams that there's a real confusion between our G and T when a new call is made.

 

[SandoVOL]

I know - not supposed to question Butch and staff. Right.

It's great having a football forum in which you are harassed when you try to talk football. "Don't talk about anything that puts the coaching in question!" Really allsome. I agree with your post btw.

 

[Coug]

It makes it look worse thats for sure. Tiny is usaually two steps off the line of scrimmage by the time Dobbs catches the snap.

He's had his moments all season but they have gotten worse over the last 3 games and I think the QB change plays a roll in that. You've got an Oline that played essentially 8 games with Worley and they got used to his timing. That and maybe Tiny's just antsy. Just a theory though.

Another real problem is that Dobbs can't make check downs by himself. This makes the O-line wait for the call from the sidelines and it seams that there's a real confusion between our G and T when a new call is made.

I was wondering why Dobbs was having to wait for plays and then having to yell them to his Oline.

 

[UTProf]

Seems like it got noticably slower when Dobbs started. Dont know why. Needs to get back there much quicker.

Pretty much this. It was already a slow snap with Worley but it's really slow now. And while that ball is slowly floating it's way back defenders are running full speed at us.

Obviously you don't want to make it impossible for the QB to catch the snap but there's got to be a solution here.

 

[NashVOL93]

Another real problem is that Dobbs can't make check downs by himself. This makes the O-line wait for the call from the sidelines and it seams that there's a real confusion between our G and T when a new call is made.

Nice info, man. I didn't know that. Is that a limitation that's been imposed on him by Butch and Jake? I too have noticed the lack of rhythm between the OL and Josh when it comes to making calls and getting the snap off. Running the check-with-me instead of check-down sort of defeats the point of the HUNH, doesn't it?

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Another real problem is that Dobbs can't make check downs by himself. This makes the O-line wait for the call from the sidelines and it seams that there's a real confusion between our G and T when a new call is made.

Most freshmen don't check @ the line. Clausen checked on the goal line in his first start and threw a touchdown against Bama. But it is rare for a freshmen. Most upperclassmen have a hard time with it.

 

[Spartacavolus]

we have had a sideline check for the play since game one. They see how the d is lined up and send it in.
That hasn't changed at all. The problem, imo, stems from the lg tapping the center. I guess they want the center's eyes on the d, but the snap is on the lg who looks at Dobbs, taps the center's leg, then the center does his look to the side, then snaps. Other OL aren't looking at the ball, so they get in a little rhythm. If the tap is slower or the center takes and extra second or two to snap it, we seem to have a problem moving early.
Dobbs has given the signal to snap well before the center snaps it.

 

[TechnoVol]

I think this may be affecting the OLINE's protection and maybe even the false starts a bit...

Ever since Dobbs came in the snaps have been very slow. Not much speed behind them at all. However it's to the point where it slows down the play and is likely giving opposing defenses the time they need to breakthrough coverage and sack our QB.

I know that Stone has had issues snapping before/getting the kinks worked out due to being left handed and Bray wanting him to snap right handed and I expected a 'safe' snap for the time Dobbs went in for Bama and even for Mizzou. But I was surprised it continued against Auburn. Is there not a medium speed for them to use now that Dobbs has been taking reps and gotten some playing time?

It just seems it's giving the defense too much time advantage to get to our quarterback when seconds and even fractions of a second matter when it comes to the line being able to protect the QB and the QB being able to get off a play.

I hope this is something that is worked on in the bye week.

Thoughts?

100% agree with this and have noticed all year regardless of the QB.

Watch most other teams shotgun snap... I would be willing to bet that Stone's snap is a half second slower from his initial movement until it hits our QBs hands, maybe slightly more. This absolutely gives the defense a heads start.

 

[KingtUT]

So if you know you have an odd situation snapping the ball at center that creates issues to deal with and you know you have been happy with the play of Mack Crowder when he has been in there - why do you not move Stone back to OG where he belongs and play Crowder? Mahoney is on record weeks ago praising Crowder. It's not like Bullard has played well this year, or the O-line unit as a whole.

I know - not supposed to question Butch and staff. Right.

Coach speak.. They praise everyone they talk about.