SMU Coach Retiring Cites Entitlement Culture

[VolnJC]

I think we may be dealing with this a little at UT also..on the men's and women's side. Coach Barnes benched 3 starters for the 2nd half yesterday. It doesn't excuse the LV losses to bad teams but it does show the need to have a coach that is willing to sit an AA sometimes for not earning their scholy

"Kids are not as coachable as they were years ago," she said. "I see kids sometimes talking back to their coaches and it's like a way of life. I'm just being honest. The rules and everything they get, they haven't taken time to appreciate. I was happy to have a scholarship. Kids nowadays are more concerned about when their next cost-of-attendance check is. It's just a different world."

Coach says athlete entitlement a factor in her retirement

 

[Tenacguy50]

Well good for her. It's a case of the tail wagging the dog these days anyway. I wish HW would get out...NOW for any reason.

 

[tnvols72]

Who cares what the coach at SMU does. It has nothing to do with Holly sucking as a coach. Just because she set beside Pat forever does not make her a coach, As a matter of fact from the way it looks, it looks like she wasted her time and Pats time because it looks like she didn't learn one thing from Pat. This is what coaching looks like from someone who didn't earn the job. She just got it handed to her.

 

[StoVol]

Atlas Shrugged was a prophetic novel

 

[orangefloyd]

Who cares what the coach at SMU does. It has nothing to do with Holly sucking as a coach. Just because she set beside Pat forever does not make her a coach, As a matter of fact from the way it looks, it looks like she wasted her time and Pats time because it looks like she didn't learn one thing from Pat. This is what coaching looks like from someone who didn't earn the job. She just got it handed to her.[/QUOTE

Its the UT way.

 

[VolsFan-TX]

Shocking that an SMU coach makes reference to elitist athletes. As the only school to receive the NCAA death penalty based upon paying players to play, that school has a long history of attempting to develop the exact culture that the current SMU women's BB coach is now questioning.

 

[Sandman 423]

Who cares what the coach at SMU does. It has nothing to do with Holly sucking as a coach. Just because she set beside Pat forever does not make her a coach, As a matter of fact from the way it looks, it looks like she wasted her time and Pats time because it looks like she didn't learn one thing from Pat. This is what coaching looks like from someone who didn't earn the job. She just got it handed to her.

I think the op was bringing something to the board that gives a little insight as to what coaches are dealing with. I don't think he was making an excuse for poor coaching.

Why so negative?

 

[madtownvol]

I think we may be dealing with this a little at UT also..on the men's and women's side. Coach Barnes benched 3 starters for the 2nd half yesterday. It doesn't excuse the LV losses to bad teams but it does show the need to have a coach that is willing to sit an AA sometimes for not earning their scholy

"Kids are not as coachable as they were years ago," she said. "I see kids sometimes talking back to their coaches and it's like a way of life. I'm just being honest. The rules and everything they get, they haven't taken time to appreciate. I was happy to have a scholarship. Kids nowadays are more concerned about when their next cost-of-attendance check is. It's just a different world."

Coach says athlete entitlement a factor in her retirement

Kids today, they're so terrible!! Go back every five years and you will see laments about "this generation is so terrible not like in the good ole days!" Funny, you only hear coaches who are struggling making that excuse. Geno, Muffet, Dawn and many others seem to be able to find coachable millennials. I guess they just keep getting lucky and finding the "rare" exceptions.

Probably best this coach is retiring; I hope a few more follow suit....

 

[VolnJC]

Who cares what the coach at SMU does. It has nothing to do with Holly sucking as a coach. Just because she set beside Pat forever does not make her a coach, As a matter of fact from the way it looks, it looks like she wasted her time and Pats time because it looks like she didn't learn one thing from Pat. This is what coaching looks like from someone who didn't earn the job. She just got it handed to her.

Sorry about that, I should have been more specific by putting SMU coach in the thread title.

 

[VolnJC]

Kids today, they're so terrible!! Go back every five years and you will see laments about "this generation is so terrible not like in the good ole days!" Funny, you only hear coaches who are struggling making that excuse. Geno, Muffet, Dawn and many others seem to be able to find coachable millennials. I guess they just keep getting lucky and finding the "rare" exceptions.

Probably best this coach is retiring; I hope a few more follow suit....

Wisconsin coach may be next

Wisconsin women’s basketball coach expressed her frustration over poor shooting throughout the sport in a rant that seemed more like just a dose of reality for aspiring female athletes:

“You’ve got to get your butt in the gym. If people think they’re going to get it on the pillowcase, it’s not going to happen. You can’t nap your way to being a great shooter, and Facebooking and all these things that teenagers do. You need to put the phones down — stop Facetiming, stop Tweeting — and get your butt in the gym. … It’s no magic formula, no secret potion you rub on your hands. Get your butt in the gym and practice. Period. End of story. And you can shoot like that too.”

A reporter then questions Kelsey, “Do you feel like your team needs to do more than that?” Kelsey fired back:

“Absolutely. Every team needs to do more than that. Women’s basketball, can you hear me? [Looks straight at the camera.] Get your butt in the gym. You’ve got people throwing the ball over the basket. Nobody wants to watch that — I don’t. I enjoy watching good, solid basketball when people make their shots, whether I’m coaching against them or my team’s doing it. Women’s basketball players need to get their butt in the gym and get shots up because we can’t dunk

 

[SAMCROVIPER]

Kids today, they're so terrible!! Go back every five years and you will see laments about "this generation is so terrible not like in the good ole days!" Funny, you only hear coaches who are struggling making that excuse. Geno, Muffet, Dawn and many others seem to be able to find coachable millennials. I guess they just keep getting lucky and finding the "rare" exceptions.

Probably best this coach is retiring; I hope a few more follow suit....

You hit the nail on the head, MadTownVol, regarding kids today. In regards to Geno, Muffet & Dawn, they are able to weed out the players that are not coachable (me me me players). They may recruit a few bad apples every now and then, but they don't last in the program. They mostly stumble upon unheard of recruits at AAU tournaments with great work ethics.

 

[teacherdean]

I lived in Texas for quite a while and the SMU Ladies' coach basketball was not much of a recruiter. Their program has always been a second rate operation where she was allowed to stay as long as she did not raise crap. My Uncle was an SMU employee for over 40 years.

That being said, everything she said is correct. Players have changed and not necessarily for the good. It takes a strong coach with a strong personality to survive and stay on top in any coaching program. I just do not think Holly has the spine to coach or recruit the players of today. She is lost in the old days when an offer to play with the LV on your chest trumped offers from other programs. The players of today are seeking instant gratification. In the old days coaches in women's sports were honorable and there was less back stabbing, that environment is no more. Kids are given program negativity by competing coaches. Unfortunately, there are too many D1 coaches who are willing to do whatever it takes to recruit and win, no holds barred. Holly still wears the white hat, however, few recruits care about that, especially the top 100 recruits. Little girls are now wanting to be UCONN players because they win. Most top recruits are only interested in what have you done lately.

Pat was upset over Genno's recruitment of Myiah Moore, because he used ESPN to seal the deal. Genno is child's play versus the Ohio State head coach. Even Kim Mulkey has received at least two warnings for excessive communication violations. The game has changed and just saying we are the Lady Vols and we want you to play for us, is no longer near a sure thing.

I am willing to bet that if you gave the 2017 top 100 girl's recruits a list of schools, such as UCONN, Baylor, ND, USC, Maryland, Ohio State, Texas and Tennessee and ask them which school would they choose if they had to do so right now, Tennessee would be last. This program is far past Holly. She will never be able to save and restore the Lady Vols. We need new, strong, knowledgable, people skilled, incontrol, coaching smart blood in the head coaching chair. NOW!!!!!!!, before it is way too late.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

I think we may be dealing with this a little at UT also..on the men's and women's side. Coach Barnes benched 3 starters for the 2nd half yesterday. It doesn't excuse the LV losses to bad teams but it does show the need to have a coach that is willing to sit an AA sometimes for not earning their scholy

"Kids are not as coachable as they were years ago," she said. "I see kids sometimes talking back to their coaches and it's like a way of life. I'm just being honest. The rules and everything they get, they haven't taken time to appreciate. I was happy to have a scholarship. Kids nowadays are more concerned about when their next cost-of-attendance check is. It's just a different world."

Coach says athlete entitlement a factor in her retirement

Every thing she said is likely very true.

 

[VolnJC]

I lived in Texas for quite a while and the SMU Ladies' coach basketball was not much of a recruiter. Their program has always been a second rate operation where she was allowed to stay as long as she did not raise crap. My Uncle was an SMU employee for over 40 years.

That being said, everything she said is correct. Players have changed and not necessarily for the good. It takes a strong coach with a strong personality to survive and stay on top in any coaching program. I just do not think Holly has the spine to coach or recruit the players of today. She is lost in the old days when an offer to play with the LV on your chest trumped offers from other programs. The players of today are seeking instant gratification. In the old days coaches in women's sports were honorable and there was less back stabbing, that environment is no more. Kids are given program negativity by competing coaches. Unfortunately, there are too many D1 coaches who are willing to do whatever it takes to recruit and win, no holds barred. Holly still wears the white hat, however, few recruits care about that, especially the top 100 recruits. Little girls are now wanting to be UCONN players because they win. Most top recruits are only interested in what have you done lately.

Pat was upset over Genno's recruitment of Myiah Moore, because he used ESPN to seal the deal. Genno is child's play versus the Ohio State head coach. Even Kim Mulkey has received at least two warnings for excessive communication violations. The game has changed and just saying we are the Lady Vols and we want you to play for us, is no longer near a sure thing.

I am willing to bet that if you gave the 2017 top 100 girl's recruits a list of schools, such as UCONN, Baylor, ND, USC, Maryland, Ohio State, Texas and Tennessee and ask them which school would they choose if they had to do so right now, Tennessee would be last. This program is far past Holly. She will never be able to save and restore the Lady Vols. We need new, strong, knowledgable, people skilled, incontrol, coaching smart blood in the head coaching chair. NOW!!!!!!!, before it is way too late.

Yeah, I don't think it's Holly's fault...she is just not the personality type that is HC material...I really like Vic Schaefer at MSU..do you know much about his style? I was really impressed at his MICed up game vs us

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Pat Summitt said that players today (the last years of her coaching tenure) are not as hungry to win, to work hard to win, like most of the previous players she coached were.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Wisconsin coach may be next

Wisconsin women’s basketball coach expressed her frustration over poor shooting throughout the sport in a rant that seemed more like just a dose of reality for aspiring female athletes:

“You’ve got to get your butt in the gym. If people think they’re going to get it on the pillowcase, it’s not going to happen. You can’t nap your way to being a great shooter, and Facebooking and all these things that teenagers do. You need to put the phones down — stop Facetiming, stop Tweeting — and get your butt in the gym. … It’s no magic formula, no secret potion you rub on your hands. Get your butt in the gym and practice. Period. End of story. And you can shoot like that too.”

A reporter then questions Kelsey, “Do you feel like your team needs to do more than that?” Kelsey fired back:

“Absolutely. Every team needs to do more than that. Women’s basketball, can you hear me? [Looks straight at the camera.] Get your butt in the gym. You’ve got people throwing the ball over the basket. Nobody wants to watch that — I don’t. I enjoy watching good, solid basketball when people make their shots, whether I’m coaching against them or my team’s doing it. Women’s basketball players need to get their butt in the gym and get shots up because we can’t dunk

I watched that and she told the unadulterated truth.

 

[jonson]

You hit the nail on the head, MadTownVol, regarding kids today. In regards to Geno, Muffet & Dawn, they are able to weed out the players that are not coachable (me me me players). They may recruit a few bad apples every now and then, but they don't last in the program. They mostly stumble upon unheard of recruits at AAU tournaments with great work ethics.

Actually, I've heard an interview in which Auriemma has said the same thing: that's it's much more difficult today to find players with the work ethic and other attitudes he values than it was a decade ago. Talent, yes, but the other things, not so much.

 

[Trixietrouble]

Who cares what the coach at SMU does. It has nothing to do with Holly sucking as a coach. Just because she set beside Pat forever does not make her a coach, As a matter of fact from the way it looks, it looks like she wasted her time and Pats time because it looks like she didn't learn one thing from Pat. This is what coaching looks like from someone who didn't earn the job. She just got it handed to her.

I think there are aspects of this year's team that fall directly on Holly (inability to solve zone defense being the primary one).

But Holly didn't just didn't start "sucking" overnight. Her record over the last few years indicate that this team would not win the NC, but they were top 10-15 in the country, and they won the easy games they should have won.

There's something about THIS group of girls that is contributing to this dismal year. They say the right things in the pressers, but the collective "fire" with this group just isn't there.

Some of that is on Holly as a motivator of young women, but the majority is on the young women themselves.

Geno A. once said something like: "People think I'm this great motivator. I'm not. We just only recruit girls that are already highly motivated."

These LVs don't seem that highly motivated.

 

[VolnJC]

I think there are aspects of this year's team that fall directly on Holly (inability to solve zone defense being the primary one).

But Holly didn't just didn't start "sucking" overnight. Her record over the last few years indicate that this team would not win the NC, but they were top 10-15 in the country, and they won the easy games they should have won.

There's something about THIS group of girls that is contributing to this dismal year. They say the right things in the pressers, but the collective "fire" with this group just isn't there.

Some of that is on Holly as a motivator of young women, but the majority is on the young women themselves.

Geno A. once said something like: "People think I'm this great motivator. I'm not. We just only recruit girls that are already highly motivated."

These LVs don't seem that highly motivated.

I remember Pat saying this one time..how she "loved gym rats" I think she was talking about Cait at the time and how it was getting tougher to motivate her team...Coach Barnes mentioned that he had to ban Punter from the gym because he spent too much time in there..that could be what led to his stress fracture this year

 

[LVJeff]

...There's something about THIS group of girls that is contributing to this dismal year...

They don't have a point guard, they can't shoot, they don't talk on defense, they are fragile mentally and emotionally, they can't focus, they have poor practice habits, and if some posters are to be believed half the team hates the other half and they all hate Holly.

What did I miss?