So do stars matter is basketball?

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volball625

volball625

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Now I dislike the whole argument about whether stars are an accurate depiction on high school prospects. It takes over almost every thread on this board.

But i have never seen any serious discussion on recruiting rankings in basketball. IMO, they appear to be very accurate. Five of the top six in Rivals 2007 rankings are bound to be lottery picks this year. Does this mean it is significantly easier to evaluate basketball talent than football?

And when we signed Daniel West, he had zero stars. Yet, we didn't really have that much bashing of him. Many people tried to put a positive spin on his commitment. Do you think that just shows that we have more faith in Bruce's evaulations that Fulmer's?
 
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It's harder to evaluate a guy on a football team that has so many variables. There are so many AAU leagues and the teams are so much smaller in basketball that I feel that it is much easier to evaluate the talent.
 
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West was sort of a sleeper pick. He may not be the high scorer that some other guards are, but he looks like he is going to be a very solid contributor and player for our style of play.
 
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TreeGreen said:
West was sort of a sleeper pick. He may not be the high scorer that some other guards are, but he looks like he is going to be a very solid contributor and player for our style of play.
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I have heard he has been unimpressive.

And I don't understand why he is a sleeper. Just because we signed him, and we want don't want to believe that he might not be a good player. And don't give me the argument that he had other high profile teams coming for him. He is a perfect example of high demand, low supply. Both us and UK both desperately needed a PG and there weren't many available.
 
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volball625 said:
I have heard he has been unimpressive.

And I don't understand why he is a sleeper. Just because we signed him, and we want don't want to believe that he might not be a good player. And don't give me the argument that he had other high profile teams coming for him. He is a perfect example of high demand, low supply. Both us and UK both desperately needed a PG and there weren't many available.
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I don't think so. I think he's considered a sleeper because he never participated in the AAU circuit and wasn't noticed as much. He's been the leading scorer and all around player on the team that's won a state championship each of the last two years. That's pretty good.

I saw him last night in the Rocky Top League game, and he looks like he has a great attitude and fantastic ball handling skills. He's not the scorer that, say, Bobby Maze is, but he's definitely been playing well in the summer league.

If you've heard he hasn't been impressive, it has to be from fans watching the league games. It's the dead period for coaches, so there's no other way people could know how he's been doing other than through the Rocky Top league, and when I saw him last night, I was really impressed.
 
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Does anybody know what CJ Watson was rated coming out of high school. Sounds like this guys game may be similar coming out of HS.
 
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Also, Daniel West stayed away from the AAU teams and focused on school. Which is another reason why he wasnt highly rated.

I think if he played in those games and was more highly recognized by scouts than he might of been a 4 star.
 
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Frankie53182 said:
Does anybody know what CJ Watson was rated coming out of high school. Sounds like this guys game may be similar coming out of HS.
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CJ was a 4* top 100 player, so it doesn't work here. I agree with Volball here. When we signed West everybody talked about how good the kid is and that he's a sleeper. But when we sign a lower rated kid in football everybody bashes him. Not very consistent.
 
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I'm guessing it's because football is the main sport at UT and we are so used to a great tradition and great seasons. Basketball has just recently been shooting up and in our eyes Bruce Pearl can do no wrong.
 
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But its still not consistent and these kids still have their senior year to play, so these kids could shoot up to a 4* or more.
 
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Exactly, Its hard to judge football recruits after their Junior year. Many kids haver their growth spurt their Senior Year and become monsters.
 
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I think I'm ready to defend Daniel West because of Brian Williams. He was 300+ out of college and had only played basketball in high school (and 0 stars, for that matter), but he's turning out to be a really solid player. Josh Tabb plays with all kinds of heart and is a beast on defense, but was only a 3 star. Bruce has proven that he can find talent, even if it isn't hearlded, so I'm wiling to give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
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and Fulmer hasn't found good talent?

Chris Brown 2*
Brad Cottam 3*
Arian Foster 3*
Al Wilson 3*
Ramon Foster 3*
Jason Hall 2*
Marvin Mitchell 3*
Antwan Stewart 3*
Inky Johnson 2*
Ellix Wilson 2*
Ryan Karl 2*
Anthony Parker 3*
Antonio Reynolds 3*
Josh Briscoe 3*
Dan Williams 3*
Vlad Richard 3*
Jeff Cottam 3*
Austin Rodgers 3*
Quintin Hancock 3*
Daniel Lincoln 2*
Britton Colquitt 3*
Gerald Williams 3*
Nick Stephens 3*
Luke Stocker 3*
Cory Hall 2*
Denarius Moore 3*
Dennis Rogan 3*
Donte Stallworth NR
Cedrick Wilson NR
Anthony Herrera # 62-OL
Jason Witten # 24-TE, # 12-DE
Kevin Burnett # 24-S
Jason Mitchell 3*
Gibril Wilson # 25-JC
 
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VOLNBAMA said:
CJ was a 4* top 100 player, so it doesn't work here. I agree with Volball here. When we signed West everybody talked about how good the kid is and that he's a sleeper. But when we sign a lower rated kid in football everybody bashes him. Not very consistent.
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Well it took me a min but found CJ was actually a 3* as well though considered Top 15 at his position . Maybe West isnt that far off. Lets hope not anyway :peace2:
 
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