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James Franklin say it would take to turn around Penn St who had the worst P.R. nightmare for a while?

I know they went back on some of the penalties, but that was after the damage was done right?

I did not really care for him when he was at Vandy, but go to give credit where credit is due.
 
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I'm sure all the "BIG 10 sucks, if they were in the SEC they would be 3-9 at best" folks will come charging in soon.
 
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I just do not understand how Butch can try to say it takes 6-7 years to turn around a program, when Franklin, Saban, and others have done it in 2-3 years.

Franklin had worse or at best equal job of turning around team, yet regular season is over and he is in top 10.

Saban while he did not have great talent he did have better then Butch, but again it took him 2 years and Butch is in year 4.

I agree injuries hurt... a lot, but he was struggling at beginning of season too with App. St.

I like others get tired of him blaming fans, making excuses, and most of all saying 'You did not hear me saying we were ready to compete for championships'.
 
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Mods why was this moved to around ncaa?

I posted this because I was making a point about Butch saying it will take 6-7 years to turn program around and comparing other coaches to show how silly that is.
 
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volnpowell said:
I just do not understand how Butch can try to say it takes 6-7 years to turn around a program, when Franklin, Saban, and others have done it in 2-3 years.

Franklin had worse or at best equal job of turning around team, yet regular season is over and he is in top 10.

Saban while he did not have great talent he did have better then Butch, but again it took him 2 years and Butch is in year 4.

I agree injuries hurt... a lot, but he was struggling at beginning of season too with App. St.

I like others get tired of him blaming fans, making excuses, and most of all saying 'You did not hear me saying we were ready to compete for championships'.
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And Saban didn't have an NFL qb until year 4. Butch has had Dobbs the entire time. It just shows you that ALL these other coaches are better than Butch. Vandy has made two straight super hires!! Vandy should be bowl eliedgible for the next few years. 6-6 to 8-4 is where they can stay. Something is still going on where UT can't hire a good coach. I have no doubt that if Mason was at a decent school with more resources instead of Vandy he would be at least 8-4 if not better. You put him or Stoops from UK at Txam or Ole Miss, teams that normally are bowl teams then they would be 10-2 almost every year!! IDK what is going on here.
 
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volberry said:
And Saban didn't have an NFL qb until year 4. Butch has had Dobbs the entire time. It just shows you that ALL these other coaches are better than Butch. Vandy has made two straight super hires!! Vandy should be bowl eliedgible for the next few years. 6-6 to 8-4 is where they can stay. Something is still going on where UT can't hire a good coach. I have no doubt that if Mason was at a decent school with more resources instead of Vandy he would be at least 8-4 if not better. You put him or Stoops from UK at Txam or Ole Miss, teams that normally are bowl teams then they would be 10-2 almost every year!! IDK what is going on here.
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Oh please. 2 straight super hires? Wtf has Mason done?
 
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allvol123 said:
Oh please. 2 straight super hires? Wtf has Mason done?
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I'm not calling him a superhire, but he did beat Georgia, Ole Miss, and UT this year.

And love him or hate him, Franklin is a very good coach. I've got green money that says nobody ever wins 9 games twice at Vanderbilt again.
 
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