So where do the Vols end up in the CFP rankings with Miami and OSU losses??

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VolonTyne said:
Certainly hope the committee avoids SEC-SEC matchups in the first round. With all the debate about SOS, etc best way to solve it is with intersectional/cross-conference matchups in the first round. Makes too much sense so probably won't happen, ha!
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They don’t want an all SEC semifinal/final so they will put us against each other early forcing us to knock each other off.
 
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I don't believe they're going to match up big 10 and sec teams against in conference opponents in the first round. Ncaa is walking a delicate line in regards to those 2 conferences and wouldn't want to upset either. Prolly try their best to have both conferences have 4 teams with 2 hosting.
 
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Learn something new every day. Apparently the ball doesn’t have to be in bounds as long as part of the body touches the goal line and the ball is extended past the plain, even out of bounds
 
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Provide Texas holds on tonight and Oregon, Texas, SMU, Boise State and Arizona State win the championship games, I think the rankings (and seedings as I understand the rules) will be as follows:

1 Oregon (1)
2 Texas (2)
3 Penn State (5)
4 Notre Dame (6)
5 Georgia (7)
6 Ohio State (8)
7 Tennessee (9)
8 SMU (3)
9 Indiana (10)
10 Boise State (4)
11 Alabama (11)
12 Ole Miss
13 South Carolina
14 Arizona State (12)
 
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Sarms58 said:
Provide Texas holds on tonight and Oregon, Texas, SMU, Boise State and Arizona State win the championship games, I think the rankings (and seedings as I understand the rules) will be as follows:

1 Oregon (1)
2 Texas (2)
3 Penn State (5)
4 Notre Dame (6)
5 Georgia (7)
6 Ohio State (8)
7 Tennessee (9)
8 SMU (3)
9 Indiana (10)
10 Boise State (4)
11 Alabama (11)
12 Ole Miss
13 South Carolina
14 Arizona State (12)
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I hope not because that means Tennessee does not host a playoff game and Tennessee will play the first round at OSU.

Edited to add - I would have Tennessee and OSU reversed. You are also assuming that losses in the championship games doesn't result with the teams dropping a couple of slots.
That has always been the case - the loser always drops. I don't think it drops them out of the play offs, but it would be a first for the CFP if the conference games don't result with any changes.

Given that Penn State would lose to Oregon, I think Notre Dame moves up to 3 and takes the 5th seed. After that it gets interesting because you have 2 loss Penn State, 3 loss Georgia and two loss Ohio State and Tennessee. I think how they lost will matter in terms of the standings.
 
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Sarms58 said:
Provide Texas holds on tonight and Oregon, Texas, SMU, Boise State and Arizona State win the championship games, I think the rankings (and seedings as I understand the rules) will be as follows:

1 Oregon (1)
2 Texas (2)
3 Penn State (5)
4 Notre Dame (6)
5 Georgia (7)
6 Ohio State (8)
7 Tennessee (9)
8 SMU (3)
9 Indiana (10)
10 Boise State (4)
11 Alabama (11)
12 Ole Miss
13 South Carolina
14 Arizona State (12)
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ND can’t be seeded higher than 5th. Top 4 seeds are for conference champions only. Therefore PSU won’t be there either if Oregon wins the B1G championship.

Edit; sorry see your seeding on the side. Missed that.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I hope not because that means Tennessee does not host a playoff game and Tennessee will play the first round at OSU.

Edited to add - I would have Tennessee and OSU reversed. You are also assuming that losses in the championship games doesn't result with the teams dropping a couple of slots.
That has always been the case - the loser always drops. I don't think it drops them out of the play offs, but it would be a first for the CFP if the conference games don't result with any changes.

Given that Penn State would lose to Oregon, I think Notre Dame moves up to 3 and takes the 5th seed. After that it gets interesting because you have 2 loss Penn State, 3 loss Georgia and two loss Ohio State and Tennessee. I think how they lost will matter in terms of the standings.
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There has been a lot of discussion about how to handle the loser of the championship games…do you penalize the loser and drop them below the third place team from their conference? The committee hasn’t stated a position and my guess is they want to have some flexibility. But baring a blowout I don't expect to see the conference runner up get dropped. If Penn State loses to Oregon in a close game I think they still get the #5 seed. And unfortunately that’s why I don’t think we’ll host a game…
 
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adam.vol said:
Learn something new every day. Apparently the ball doesn’t have to be in bounds as long as part of the body touches the goal line and the ball is extended past the plain, even out of bounds
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If we are talking about the same play. Arch Mannings? It looked like maybe the nose touched the pylon but the nylon was knocked over so to me how does that make sense? I get if it's upright but being knocked further out of field of play seems like there needs am exception to that rule.
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
If we are talking about the same play. Arch Mannings? It looked like maybe the nose touched the pylon but the nylon was knocked over so to me how does that make sense? I get if it's upright but being knocked further out of field of play seems like there needs am exception to that rule.
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That’s the play.

I believe officiating is being encouraged to act lazy and contrite in the name of shortening play time to allow for more commercial time.

I saw it the way you described. The ball may have touched the pylon but after it was moved by his other arm. However, I thought the ruling was that by his body touching the pylon (in bounds), the ball just needed to cross the extended plane.

As I type it out, it kind of makes sense. If your foot is in the end zone, the ball can be outside of the field of play, as long as it is within the carrier’s control. I’ve just never seen a hand in the end zone (touching the pylon) take the place of standing in the end zone.

Again, I believe refs are encouraged to make it up as they go to shorten play time.
 
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Sarms58 said:
There has been a lot of discussion about how to handle the loser of the championship games…do you penalize the loser and drop them below the third place team from their conference? The committee hasn’t stated a position and my guess is they want to have some flexibility. But baring a blowout I don't expect to see the conference runner up get dropped. If Penn State loses to Oregon in a close game I think they still get the #5 seed. And unfortunately that’s why I don’t think we’ll host a game…
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Where exactly has the committee stated the loser will not drop if they lose the championship game?

Then there is no reason to even play the conference championship games. The other issue is that the second place in several of the conferences have teams tied with the same record with who makes the game based on tiebreakers. Georgia and Tennessee tied for second place. Penn State and Indiana tied for second place.

If they are going to let a team who is not in the top 12 secure an automatic bid and bye by winning the game, they need to also drop a team that loses. This has been the case since the BCS and CPF was implemented.

Based on the thought that the loser will not drop, then you set up the following to happen:

- SMU purposedly losing to Clemson - that way the ACC gets two teams in.
- Boise State purposedly losing to UNLV - that way the Mountain West gets two teams in.

If you do this for one conference, you have to do the same for every conference. It is not fair to not drop an SEC, B1G or ACC loser and drop a loser from another conference. The rules were rewritten so that all conferences were treated equal in terms of the bids and byes.

If they want to follow this rule, then just take the 10 teams that play in the 5 top conference championship games and have 2 at large teams and be done with it.
 
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CAVPUT said:
9th or worse until we ain't. They'll find a way to keep us from hosting.
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Yeah they are totally rewarding Notre Dame. I heard at least 10 times yesterday on different talking panels on networks referencing Touchdown Jesus with sub 20 degree weather and snow on the ground and they all saying they can't wait. The same the last 2 weekends about Happy Valley and so now it comes down to if they lose the Big 10 they host and if they win they get a bye so then clearly Oregon will host. So do they do the same with SEC runner up let them host? I think they do so after Texas and UGA winner gets the bye and loser host. That's one more host and I think they may send someone to Boise if SMU wins the ACC they will be the 4th highest ranked conference champion pushing Boise State out of the bye round and they would love to place someone in super cold Idaho on that Blue turf.
 
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Sarms58 said:
There has been a lot of discussion about how to handle the loser of the championship games…do you penalize the loser and drop them below the third place team from their conference? The committee hasn’t stated a position and my guess is they want to have some flexibility. But baring a blowout I don't expect to see the conference runner up get dropped. If Penn State loses to Oregon in a close game I think they still get the #5 seed. And unfortunately that’s why I don’t think we’ll host a game…
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Since the SEC expanded and the divisions were eliminated, conference standings in regards to the championship game don’t reflect as true of a ranking as in the past. The schedules are no longer remotely comparable as displayed in Texas versus Florida or Oklahoma. Whole lot of “eye test” required now to determine the strength of teams.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Where exactly has the committee stated the loser will not drop if they lose the championship game?

Then there is no reason to even play the conference championship games. The other issue is that the second place in several of the conferences have teams tied with the same record with who makes the game based on tiebreakers. Georgia and Tennessee tied for second place. Penn State and Indiana tied for second place.

If they are going to let a team who is not in the top 12 secure an automatic bid and bye by winning the game, they need to also drop a team that loses. This has been the case since the BCS and CPF was implemented.

Based on the thought that the loser will not drop, then you set up the following to happen:

- SMU purposedly losing to Clemson - that way the ACC gets two teams in.
- Boise State purposedly losing to UNLV - that way the Mountain West gets two teams in.

If you do this for one conference, you have to do the same for every conference. It is not fair to not drop an SEC, B1G or ACC loser and drop a loser from another conference. The rules were rewritten so that all conferences were treated equal in terms of the bids and byes.

If they want to follow this rule, then just take the 10 teams that play in the 5 top conference championship games and have 2 at large teams and be done with it.
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The committee hasn’t said one way or another and I doubt they will because they want the flexibility uptown pick who they believe are the best teams (after the 5 automatic bids).

As for teams intentionally losing, they would be on thin ice…if both SMU and Boise intentionally lose, then two teams outside the top 12 get in pluse the Big 12 Champ so Boise would be out and SMU would be hoping they get the last spot.

You don’t have to treat each conference the same. The issue that’s been discussed to death is the fate of the runner up in the conference championship game for conferences that have 3 or more teams in the top12. Like in the SEC’s case, does Tennessee, the 3rd team in the conference standings, get to jump Georgia, the second best team in the conferenc standings just because Georgia loses to Texas?

Upsets in the Conference Championship games could knock out teams who are currently projected to be in. But for conferences other than the Big 10 and SEC, the team knocked out could be the current favorite

it will be interesting to see how the committee votes after all the conference championship games…
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
Yeah they are totally rewarding Notre Dame. I heard at least 10 times yesterday on different talking panels on networks referencing Touchdown Jesus with sub 20 degree weather and snow on the ground and they all saying they can't wait. The same the last 2 weekends about Happy Valley and so now it comes down to if they lose the Big 10 they host and if they win they get a bye so then clearly Oregon will host. So do they do the same with SEC runner up let them host? I think they do so after Texas and UGA winner gets the bye and loser host. That's one more host and I think they may send someone to Boise if SMU wins the ACC they will be the 4th highest ranked conference champion pushing Boise State out of the bye round and they would love to place someone in super cold Idaho on that Blue turf.
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Yea, talking head this morning said Notre Dame destroyed USC….what game was he watching? But everyone has their biases and Notre Dame gets more brownie points than Bama among the sports talking heads
 
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adam.vol said:
That’s the play.

I believe officiating is being encouraged to act lazy and contrite in the name of shortening play time to allow for more commercial time.

I saw it the way you described. The ball may have touched the pylon but after it was moved by his other arm. However, I thought the ruling was that by his body touching the pylon (in bounds), the ball just needed to cross the extended plane.

As I type it out, it kind of makes sense. If your foot is in the end zone, the ball can be outside of the field of play, as long as it is within the carrier’s control. I’ve just never seen a hand in the end zone (touching the pylon) take the place of standing in the end zone.

Again, I believe refs are encouraged to make it up as they go to shorten play time.
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All scores are automatically reviewed, so I don't think it shortens the game.

If a pass is thrown from the sidelines and the player's feet are in the end zone but they lean out of the end zone to catch it, it's a score even though the ball may never actually cross the goal inbounds. If they lean back into the field of play inbounds, it's down where the ball is, I think.

Arch grabbed the pylon but I'm not sure any of his body, and definitely not the ball, hit the end zone itself. It's a big stretch to call that a TD unless he at least put a hand down in the end zone.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
All scores are automatically reviewed, so I don't think it shortens the game.

If a pass is thrown from the sidelines and the player's feet are in the end zone but they lean out of the end zone to catch it, it's a score even though the ball may never actually cross the goal inbounds. If they lean back into the field of play inbounds, it's down where the ball is, I think.

Arch grabbed the pylon but I'm not sure any of his body, and definitely not the ball, hit the end zone itself. It's a big stretch to call that a TD unless he at least put a hand down in the end zone.
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It really wasn't a TD but Texas would have scored the next play anyway.
 
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adam.vol said:
Learn something new every day. Apparently the ball doesn’t have to be in bounds as long as part of the body touches the goal line and the ball is extended past the plain, even out of bounds
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That is true until it isn't. If you are running down the field, then the goal line extends as a plane to infinity. I don't remember an era where that wasn't the case. When you catch a ball it seems like the refs will lose their perspective on the extended goal line. It's probably just my imagination.
 
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volfan102455 said:
It really wasn't a TD but Texas would have scored the next play anyway.
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In NCAA rules, the ball doesn’t have to be inside the pylon.
If a runner is approaching the goal line and a body part touches the pylon, the ball is dead from that moment. They do however get the goal line extended. This means that if the ball is breaking the plane of the goal line even if it is over the sideline, the play results in a touchdown.

I looked it up because I thought the ball had to at least hit the pylon or be inside it but that’s not the case.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I hope not because that means Tennessee does not host a playoff game and Tennessee will play the first round at OSU.

Edited to add - I would have Tennessee and OSU reversed. You are also assuming that losses in the championship games doesn't result with the teams dropping a couple of slots.
That has always been the case - the loser always drops. I don't think it drops them out of the play offs, but it would be a first for the CFP if the conference games don't result with any changes.

Given that Penn State would lose to Oregon, I think Notre Dame moves up to 3 and takes the 5th seed. After that it gets interesting because you have 2 loss Penn State, 3 loss Georgia and two loss Ohio State and Tennessee. I think how they lost will matter in terms of the standings.
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Plus however they plan to wiggle bama into the 12th spot. Given Bama and USCe at 9-3, I think USCe is the better choice at the moment.
 
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