So Why Does Obama "Cling" to Religion

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volinbham

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The "bitter" commentary by Obama is causing quite a stink.

Obama Addresses 'Bitter' Comment With Reporters - US News and World Report

positing that some small-town voters were "bitter" over economic circumstances and clung to guns and religion as a result when they voted.
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So is it only small-towners that "cling" to religion because they are bitter but his faith is based on something else?

This type of attitude shows the paradox of liberal ideology - an outward stance of tolerance and acceptance but an inward belief that some people just don't get it - don't understand the world and therefore liberals must do things for these poor creatures.

Rather than accepting that different people believe different things, Obama shows the liberal mind set of finding negative external factors to explain why someone would strongly believe in gun ownership or be deeply religious (apparently non-natural states of belief).

Elitist? Most definitely.
 
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Out of touch with the issues of rural America and it is going to hurt him later on in the process.
 
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Sorry VBH, but since you so obviously cannot grasp the complex thinking of the Obama, you will now be considered a commoner.
 
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I see the out of touch comment and it fits but I think it's deeper than being out of touch. It's a mindset - an ideology. To me out of touch means that he doesn't know what it's like to live paycheck to paycheck, make tough economic choices etc. These comments suggest he thinks the beliefs of these people are not only wrong-headed but have been created by economic problems. If we fix the economic problems, these people will start thinking correctly - will have the proper beliefs.
 
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So VBH, in other words it is ok to be out of touch(bowl a 37), but he has an even worse problem? He doesn't understand why anyone would want to bowl in the first place?

Note: I know this analogy kind of sucks and really isn't very good...was mainly just going for humor.
 
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can you please have obama or a san francisco democrat explain these points to me? much thanks.
 
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Wow, he's getting desperate. His point is if people don't vote for him it's b/c they are not thinking clearly, Hahahaha! That's funny. :eek:lol:
 
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volinbham said:
I see the out of touch comment and it fits but I think it's deeper than being out of touch. It's a mindset - an ideology. To me out of touch means that he doesn't know what it's like to live paycheck to paycheck, make tough economic choices etc. These comments suggest he thinks the beliefs of these people are not only wrong-headed but have been created by economic problems. If we fix the economic problems, these people will start thinking correctly - will have the proper beliefs.
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If Obama gets his way there will be two classes in this country. The elite will be those in power and the rest of us will be little better than servants of the state. That is what I believe about ANY socialist doctrine. History has proven socialism is a lousy platform to rule and govern a country. For the life of me I cannot understand what makes people think it can make a country stronger.
 
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I am not quite sure when the word "bitter" became a derogatory word? What he said afterwards is a little suspect (clinging to guns or religion) Until you actually hear the entire answer he gave to the question that was asked.
 
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Volnissniss said:
Wow, he's getting desperate. His point is if people don't vote for him it's b/c they are not thinking clearly, Hahahaha! That's funny. :eek:lol:
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well i'm sure he also thinks people aren't voting for him because they are racist too.
 
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So...I'm not a fan of Obama (yet, I guess..maybe something could change that) and Hillary, while I can live with some aspects, doesn't excite me a lot either at the moment. With that said, I have been giving a lot of thought to voting for McCain (which surprises me...I really thought that after 8 years of Bush I wouldn't want another Republican in office for a while...).

Anyway...one of my good friends here gets after me every time he hears me say that I am thinking about voting for McCain. He immediately asks when I want to have him throw my going away party...because surely I must be signing up to give my service to McCain's 100 year war in Iraq plan. Otherwise, he argues, I would be clearly be a hypocrite. I'm not a republican, but his argument annoys me nonetheless. I tried suggesting that he go on welfare if Obama/Hillary wins..but he actually thought that didn't sound so bad :).
 
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The twisting of each others words in this race is starting to get annoying. I miss the days when the candidates just made fun of each other.
 
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heard this today and thought it fit here (from Adlai Stevenson)

During one of Stevenson's presidential campaigns, allegedly, a supporter told him that he was sure to "get the vote of every thinking man" in the U.S., to which Stevenson is said to have replied, "Thank you, but I need a majority to win."
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I was being so totally sarcastic. Hang out here in the poitics forum for more than five minutes, read my previous post on the thread and it will be very clear I was just joking.
 
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MontereyVol said:
I am not quite sure when the word "bitter" became a derogatory word? What he said afterwards is a little suspect (clinging to guns or religion) Until you actually hear the entire answer he gave to the question that was asked.
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Bitter is not the problem in his statement - it is the word "cling". It almost implies that these beliefs are irrational or could be "fixed" if the underlying problem (in this case the economy) were taken care of.

I think it's illustrative that he is focusing on the word bitter which isn't the real issue.

Do you have a link to the entire answer? I'd like to see the context.
 
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allvol123 said:
So VBH, in other words it is ok to be out of touch(bowl a 37), but he has an even worse problem? He doesn't understand why anyone would want to bowl in the first place?

Note: I know this analogy kind of sucks and really isn't very good...was mainly just going for humor.
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I think it's a pretty good analogy. Bowlers are misguided - they bowl because of their circumstance. If we can change their circumstance they will no longer cling to bowling.
 
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volinbham said:
Bitter is not the problem in his statement - it is the word "cling". It almost implies that these beliefs are irrational or could be "fixed" if the underlying problem (in this case the economy) were taken care of.

I think it's illustrative that he is focusing on the word bitter which isn't the real issue.

Do you have a link to the entire answer? I'd like to see the context.
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I heard it on TV. He basically restated the question he was asked. I will try to find a link to the whole sequence of that particular moment.
 
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You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
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a caller on a talk show stated, with tongue in cheek, that Obama was clearly talking about Islamic terrorists.

a somewhat more pragmatic translation is that Obama is secretly just as racist as his spiritual mentor.
 
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