Socialism and Younger Generations

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evillawyer said:
This is some cogent, sophisticated argumentation here. Aristotle is shaking in his boots:

"What’s the matter with kids today? Nothing new. A large portion of the brats, the squirts, the fuzz-faced, the moon calves, the sap-green, and the wet behind the ears have always been “Punks for Progressives.”"
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Wise man said if you don't give them something to believe in, they will believe in anything. 50% have chosen socialism, pure socialism always fails.
 
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evillawyer said:
This is some cogent, sophisticated argumentation here. Aristotle is shaking in his boots:

"What’s the matter with kids today? Nothing new. A large portion of the brats, the squirts, the fuzz-faced, the moon calves, the sap-green, and the wet behind the ears have always been “Punks for Progressives.”"
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Well since it was written by political satirist PJ O’Rourke the tone of the message makes sense doesn’t it sister? However the message of “kids today aren’t too different of the kids of the 60’s” does come thru when you read the article. I’m not sure I completely agree with it. But I’m not going to throw shade on a satirist using a witty prose style to get their message across. But that’s just me.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Well since it was written by political satirist PJ O’Rourke the tone of the message makes sense doesn’t it sister? However the message of “kids today aren’t too different of the kids of the 60’s” does come thru when you read the article. I’m not sure I completely agree with it. But I’m not going to throw shade on a satirist using a witty prose style to get their message across. But that’s just me.
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I would say, having met my daughter's friends, that 1 out of 6 is smart enough to figure out their own path, not bowing to propaganda.
Until they are 21 or older, the rest are rudderless.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
Wise man said if you don't give them something to believe in, they will believe in anything. 50% have chosen socialism, pure socialism always fails.
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Every system has failed. We have yet to invent a society that overcomes human nature.
 
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Believe it or not there is a large number of Venezuelans that still support Maduro and socialism even though they are drinking from the sewers and eating rats.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
I would say, having met my daughter's friends, that 1 out of 6 is smart enough to figure out their own path, not bowing to propaganda.
Until they are 21 or older, the rest are rudderless.
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I feel very fortunate to have a self motivated, ambitious, conservative, responsible 19 year old.
When I meet other kids her age I’m amazed at how clueless they are. My daughter took 15 hours of online classes this summer while working a job. Full load this semester at UT and working two jobs. Made deans list each semester. For fun she watches debates. Full academic scholarship and lives at home to save money for down payment on her first home. At 19 she’s already saved about $12k.

Looks like she’ll have little competition among these slack jaws.
 
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Roustabout said:
I feel very fortunate to have a self motivated, ambitious, conservative, responsible 19 year old.
When I meet other kids her age I’m amazed at how clueless they are. My daughter took 15 hours of online classes this summer while working a job. Full load this semester at UT and working two jobs. Made deans list each semester. For fun she watches debates. Full academic scholarship and lives at home to save money for down payment on her first home. At 19 she’s already saved about $12k.

Looks like she’ll have little competition among these slack jaws.
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Yes my 20 year old is the same way. I don't worry about her.
 
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It's really simple.

When kids today hear "socialism," they think of Scandinavia, not the Soviet Union. Socialism has better marketing today than it ever has - way better than during the Cold War, and better marketing than capitalism/free markets, which have allowed leftists and socialists to create a straw man out of it.
 
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05_never_again said:
It's really simple.

When kids today hear "socialism," they think of Scandinavia, not the Soviet Union. Socialism has better marketing today than it ever has - way better than during the Cold War, and better marketing than capitalism/free markets, which have allowed leftists and socialists to create a straw man out of it.
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This. Talk to any younger person that leans toward socialism or Democratic Socialism and within less than a minute they will bring up Western Europe.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
This. Talk to any younger person that leans toward socialism or Democratic Socialism and within less than a minute they will bring up Western Europe.
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They immediately bring up Denmark/Sweden/Norway, which interestingly enough aren't the best representations of socialism. Even politicians in those countries have mentioned this. Scandinavian countries have very high tax rates and very large welfare states, which certainly are elements of socialism, but other than that it is actually fairly easy to do business. They are not regulated to death and business is allowed to function fairly freely; they've been rather aggressively privatizing many corporations that used to be state-owned.

True socialists should love the high taxes in Scandinavia, but they'd actually hate the business climate there if they bothered to look into it. Once you get past the high taxes (which, admittedly, is a big thing to just "get past") a socialist would be like "Wait, you mean stuff is privately owned and for profit here?"
 
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05_never_again said:
They immediately bring up Denmark/Sweden/Norway, which interestingly enough aren't the best representations of socialism. Even politicians in those countries have mentioned this. Scandinavian countries have very high tax rates and very large welfare states, which certainly are elements of socialism, but other than that it is actually fairly easy to do business. They are not regulated to death and business is allowed to function fairly freely; they've been rather aggressively privatizing many corporations that used to be state-owned.

True socialists should love the high taxes in Scandinavia, but they'd actually hate the business climate there if they bothered to look into it. Once you get past the high taxes (which, admittedly, is a big thing to just "get past") a socialist would be like "Wait, you mean stuff is privately owned and for profit here?"
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Perfectly said.
 
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05_never_again said:
They immediately bring up Denmark/Sweden/Norway, which interestingly enough aren't the best representations of socialism. Even politicians in those countries have mentioned this. Scandinavian countries have very high tax rates and very large welfare states, which certainly are elements of socialism, but other than that it is actually fairly easy to do business. They are not regulated to death and business is allowed to function fairly freely; they've been rather aggressively privatizing many corporations that used to be state-owned.

True socialists should love the high taxes in Scandinavia, but they'd actually hate the business climate there if they bothered to look into it. Once you get past the high taxes (which, admittedly, is a big thing to just "get past") a socialist would be like "Wait, you mean stuff is privately owned and for profit here?"
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Nailed it.
 
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