Softball RPI week 2

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We have a very weak non conference schedule which will kill us this year when it comes to the NCAA seeding.. our coaches do not understand the rpi and how our schedule affects it.

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Through Games of March 31, 2013
Generated: Monday 04/01/13 04:04 PM
------- Division I Only --------
Rank Name Conf W-L Road Neut Home Non-Div I
1 Oklahoma Big 12 30-2 5-0 17- 0- 0 8-2 0-0
2 Florida Southeastern 35-3 8-1 9- 1- 0 18-1 0-0
3 Texas Big 12 32-4 5-0 11- 3- 0 16-1 0-0
4 Alabama Southeastern 32-5 10-3 8- 0- 0 14-2 0-0
5 Oregon Pac-12 28-5 2-1 21- 4- 0 5-0 0-0
6 California Pac-12 27-3 4-0 19- 3- 0 4-0 0-0
7 Arizona St. Pac-12 34-3 3-1 3- 1- 0 28-1 0-0
8 Missouri Southeastern 20-2 6-1 6- 0- 0 8-1 0-0
9 Texas A&M Southeastern 28-7 3-4 7- 1- 0 18-2 0-0
10 Louisville Big East 28-6 2-2 11- 2- 0 15-2 0-0
11 South Ala. Sun Belt 29-7 9-1 9- 3- 0 11-3 0-0
12 Tennessee Southeastern 29-6 5-3 15- 2- 0 9-1 0-0
13 Kentucky Southeastern 24-9 4-4 13- 2- 0 7-3 0-0
14 Washington Pac-12 25-10 4-2 15- 6- 0 6-2 0-0
15 LSU Southeastern 30-7 3-2 7- 3- 0 20-2 0-0
16 UCLA Pac-12 25-8 4-3 16- 1- 0 5-4 0-0
17 Hawaii Big West 28-7 3-0 3- 3- 0 22-4 0-0
18 Nebraska Big Ten 25-7 8-3 10- 3- 0 7-1 0-0
19 Stanford Pac-12 24-9 1-3 10- 5- 0 13-1 0-0
20 Michigan Big Ten 28-7 5-3 19- 4- 0 4-0 0-0
21 Wisconsin Big Ten 27-4 8-2 19- 2- 0 0-0 0-0
22 Tulsa Conference USA 29-7 9-4 12- 3- 1 8-0 0-0
23 La.-Lafayette Sun Belt 22-11 3-4 8- 5- 0 11-2 0-0
24 Iowa Big Ten 20-13 6-3 13- 5- 0 1-5 0-0
25 Florida St. Atlantic Coast 28-12 7-2 1- 4- 0 20-6 0-0
26 Baylor Big 12 29-7 4-2 9- 2- 0 16-3 0-0
27 Virginia Tech Atlantic Coast 19-8 5-3 14- 3- 0 0-2 0-0
28 Arizona Pac-12 23-11 2-1 7- 8- 0 14-2 0-0
29 Western Ky. Sun Belt 19-11 4-7 5- 1- 0 10-3 0-0
30 Hofstra Colonial 18-9 4-2 7- 6- 0 7-1 0-0

The new bonus system sure looks to be better than the old one. Reminder today is April 1st. The old model was not perfect but now top teams can get screwed in their rpi if they dont schedule how the rpi prefers, while weaker teams gain an advantage, I don't think this is what the committee intended. Tennessee drops this week to 12 and will continue to drop for the entire remaining regular season until they play Mizz. Which will provide a slight bump but nowhere near the accumulated bonus points of the teams above them, so expected TN to finish around 15 rpi even after winning their remaining games. TAMU, who lost 3 to TN last weekend and lost 2 to Alabama this weekend moves up 3 spots.

Detailed RPI reports:

Nitty Gritty, March 31

https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/Stats Library/nitty gritty thru Mar 31.pdf

Team Sheets, March 31

https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/Stats Library/team sheets thru Mar 31.pdf
 
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NCAA will seed the teams how they want to anyway RPI doesn't matter...it's just something for the fans to look at it.....some of the seeds in the past years have made no sense at all but it's just how the NCAA softball committee works
 
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Vols4life said:
NCAA will seed the teams how they want to anyway RPI doesn't matter...it's just something for the fans to look at it.....some of the seeds in the past years have made no sense at all but it's just how the NCAA softball committee works
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Agreed. RPI's are for teams who are borderline. UT keeps winning they'll be ok. Imo
 
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RPI is the NCAA measure of strength of schedule and is used in the top 16 seeding. Each of the 16 seeds host a regional of 4 teams. The Top 8 seeds get to host the super regional if they survive regional play.

2011 season NCAA RPI is 13th.... NCAA seed was 14th

2011 NCAA Women's Softball RPI

2012 season NCAA RPI 5th.... NCAA seed was 7th

2012 NCAA Women's Softball RPI
 
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We play in America's toughest conference, and have already played three series against teams that were ranked in the top 7 in the nation, winning 6 of those 9 games. So I'm not sure UT has to prove anything by playing better non-conference teams. That's not to say that we won't get shafted by the NCAA, but we should be ok.
 
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Tennessee only plays Missouri as far as far as top teams remaining. How we are only 12 right now after we are 7-3 against 2,4,9,13 is beyond me.
 
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BOP said:
Tennessee only plays Missouri as far as far as top teams remaining. How we are only 12 right now after we are 7-3 against 2,4,9,13 is beyond me.
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I agree 100%. If this is correct, we will only go down from here even if we win out. That is BS!!!
 
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Some of you have very little idea on how the RPI works and how it is used in the NCAA seeding.

you don't realize that there is no difference in the RPI between playing the best team in the country vs the 25th best team in the country.

What is your record vs the top 25 RPI? what is your record vs the top 50 rpi?, what is your record vs top 150 rpi? what is our record vs teams below 150 rpi?

Your winning percentage, you opponent's winning percentage, your opponent's opponents winning percentage....a home win is a .7 value, a road win is a 1.3 value. bonus for playing top 25, Top 50... penalties for playing and losing against low rpi teams.

You get no boost/bonus for playing in the "best conference" in the country.

You get penalized for playing and beating teams with a poor RPI ranking and lord forbid we lose to a low ranking RPI team.

The NFCA Poll is the national fastpitch coaches association... 30 coaches vote. Basically, a coaches poll but not all coaches vote. The ESPN/USA is the sportswriter poll. I believe a more accurate poll. But neither the NFCA or the ESPN poll is used by the NCAA in their seeding process.


From the NCAA explaining the new RPI... for the 2013 season...

Supplement NO.23
D1 Champs/Sports Mgmt Cabinet 09/12
Page No. 2

c. Rating Percentage Index (RPI) Adjustments

(1) Recommendation. That the 2013 RPI structure for the sport of softball includes bonuses and penalties for non-conference games only, that is increased to include the top and bottom seventy-five teams in the RPI. (2) Effective Date. Immediate.

(3) Rationale. In 2012 the RPI bonus/penalty structure was applied to all games (conference and non-conference) against the top and bottom fifty teams in the RPI. The committee reviewed numerous changes with Jim Wright, NCAA director of statistics, and determined that the current practice of providing a bonus/penalty system on all games could advantage or disadvantage a team strictly because of conference membership. By applying the bonus/penalty system to non-conference games only, teams earn a bonus or penalty on the schedule they control (games they choose to play). In addition, the committee believes with the increased parity in softball the bonuses and penalties should include teams 51-75; therefore, the 2013 structure will include bonuses for non-conference wins against teams in the top 75 of the RPI and penalties for non-conference losses against teams in the bottom 75 of the RPI. The committee also discussed a bonus/penalty structure for the location of games (home/away). The committee will not include these in the bonus/penalty structure at this time; however, will review the impact of the bonus/penalty structure for the location of games during the 2013 season.

(4) Impact on Budget. None.

(5) Student-Athlete Impact. None.
 
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your winning percentage = 25% of RPI

Opponent's winning percentage = 50% of RPI

Opponent's Opponents winning percentage = 25% of RPI

so 75% of RPI is your opponent's winning percentage and their opponent's winning percentage... better schedule a tougher non conference schedule since you are no longer getting an extra "BOOST" from your conference play.
 
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Seems like the person doing the scheduling needs a better understanding of the process
 
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all i'm saying is if UT finishes in the regular season in top 5 in top 25 they will be no lower than a 7 in a seed when the tourney starts... They will not drop UT out of the top 10 if their RPI finishes out of the top 10....RPI will not matter at the end
 
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The schedule was probably set several years ago, so I'm sure that scheduling will change in the years to come to accomidate the new rule. And if we are a top 10 team at the end of the season we will recieve a Top 10 seed, because the NCAA knows they will draw crowds to Knoxville for a regional and a super regional. When it comes right down to it, money is King, not the RPI; even for the NCAA.
 
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so in 2011 when Tenn was ranked 5th in one Poll and 7th in the other Poll, 13th in rpi and was awarded a 14th seed in the tournament where we lost to Oklahoma St.... Ummm Yeah

Top 16 are seeded and host a regional

Top 8 host a super regional


NCAA 2011 seeding 2011 NCAA softball bracket - ESPN Seeded 14th

USA Final Poll Week 14 in 2011 Week 14 Ranked 7th

NFCA Final Poll week 14 in 2011 https://nfca.org/index.php/componen...ca&top25=1&list=1&year=2011&pdiv=div1&pnum=15 Ranked 5th

And if we are a top 10 team at the end of the season we will receive a Top 10 seed, because the NCAA knows they will draw crowds to Knoxville for a regional and a super regional. When it comes right down to it, money is King, not the RPI; even for the NCAA.
 
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CalifLadyVolFan said:
And if we are a top 10 team at the end of the season we will receive a Top 10 seed, because the NCAA knows they will draw crowds to Knoxville for a regional and a super regional. When it comes right down to it, money is King, not the RPI; even for the NCAA.
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Did you just disagree with your OP?
 
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OrangeDew said:
Did you just disagree with your OP?
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I was replying to Tenn Ted's.... that is why I made the type BOLD


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The schedule was probably set several years ago, so I'm sure that scheduling will change in the years to come to accomidate the new rule. And if we are a top 10 team at the end of the season we will recieve a Top 10 seed, because the NCAA knows they will draw crowds to Knoxville for a regional and a super regional. When it comes right down to it, money is King, not the RPI; even for the NCAA.
 
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The schedule was probably set several years ago,

No it's not.... the schedule is set in the fall of every year. The SEC schedule is determined by the SEC and the coaches fill in their schedules around that accordingly.
 
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why do you have a problem with the schedule anyway? maybe UT wants to host home games during the season against local schools no problem with that...it's not UT's fault that some of them are bad....UT has a hard pre-season schedule to get them ready for the SEC schedule these mid week games are to work on things
 
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Vols4life said:
why do you have a problem with the schedule anyway? maybe UT wants to host home games during the season against local schools no problem with that...it's not UT's fault that some of them are bad....UT has a hard pre-season schedule to get them ready for the SEC schedule these mid week games are to work on things
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I don't know..... I guess you could say that I have a vested interest in this team.:eek:lol:
 
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