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[Volsfaninva917]

How Colorado's football program got mired in a decade of losing - The Denver Post

Allegations, no charges

Those most familiar with CU point to the winter of 2004 as the turning point when the program began to unravel. That's when allegations of sexual assault and other improprieties by CU football players and potential recruits were revealed in a report leaked from the district attorney's office. Though no player or recruit was ever prosecuted, the ensuing furor prompted national headlines. Soon after, those inside the CU athletic department were forced to deal with what came to be called "The Ordeal."

"By the end of my tenure, we had gone through allegations that were unfounded and recruiting issues that were never substantiated," said Barnett, who works as a college football commentator for Sports USA radio. "Nevertheless, it created unrest around our program that made it very difficult to recruit and compete with the likes of Oklahoma and Texas in the Big 12."

"Are there factions in Colorado, and in Boulder and on campus, that don't like athletics? Absolutely," said Steve Bosley, CU's regent at-large. "Are there at other schools? Are there more here? I would guess yes, probably. There are those who think athletics play too big a role, and they would rather it have a diminished role."

 

[UT-Rex]

How Colorado's football program got mired in a decade of losing - The Denver Post

Allegations, no charges

Those most familiar with CU point to the winter of 2004 as the turning point when the program began to unravel. That's when allegations of sexual assault and other improprieties by CU football players and potential recruits were revealed in a report leaked from the district attorney's office. Though no player or recruit was ever prosecuted, the ensuing furor prompted national headlines. Soon after, those inside the CU athletic department were forced to deal with what came to be called "The Ordeal."

"By the end of my tenure, we had gone through allegations that were unfounded and recruiting issues that were never substantiated," said Barnett, who works as a college football commentator for Sports USA radio. "Nevertheless, it created unrest around our program that made it very difficult to recruit and compete with the likes of Oklahoma and Texas in the Big 12."

"Are there factions in Colorado, and in Boulder and on campus, that don't like athletics? Absolutely," said Steve Bosley, CU's regent at-large. "Are there at other schools? Are there more here? I would guess yes, probably. There are those who think athletics play too big a role, and they would rather it have a diminished role."

Sounds like a good example, of what we are not -- We are not "unraveling," rather, the process of addressing the allegations is moving forward (or in many of the allegations, Coach has already addressed and punished), and that is my understanding. JDobbs, AKamara and JRM have said to the big nashville paper, that the on-campus culture is safe and good. We Are TENNESSEE.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Sounds like a good example, of what we are not -- We are not "unraveling," rather, the process of addressing the allegations is moving forward (or in many of the allegations, Coach has already addressed and punished), and that is my understanding. JDobbs, AKamara and JRM have said to the big nashville paper, that the on-campus culture is safe and good. We Are TENNESSEE.

True, I guess this was more of an example of how this thing could have turned out.

 

[ReaderVol]

True, I guess this was more of an example of how this thing could HAVE turned out

Fyp

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Fyp

Fixed

 

[DocVOLiday]

Fyp

I would agree.


Though our culture (school, team, coaches, fans) is vastly different so I think the percent chance that our situation would turn out similar to theirs was/is pretty low

 

[Volador]

If Butch can get through all this and keep winning.....

 

[1truevol]

Unfortunately I do agree that there is a power struggle amongs athletics vs academic prowess at UT. I truly believe that. It's been suggested in recent years. Academics are important no doubt...but "athletics" has built this program and I truly hate for certain chancellors to fuel this tug-a-war. You can bet it's not a problem at Alabama!

 

[volnpowell]

Unfortunately I do agree that there is a power struggle amongs athletics vs academic prowess at UT. I truly believe that. It's been suggested in recent years. Academics are important no doubt...but "athletics" has built this program and I truly hate for certain chancellors to fuel this tug-a-war. You can bet it's not a problem at Alabama!

I was about to post similar thought. I guess those who posted above have not heard of this academic vs athletic power struggle recently. Susan Martin and Jimmy Cheek in particular. Cheek has at least given in a little, but still. If Martin takes Cheek's position it will certainly be a problem.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

I was about to post similar thought. I guess those who posted above have not heard of this academic vs athletic power struggle recently. Susan Martin and Jimmy Cheek in particular. Cheek has at least given in a little, but still. If Martin takes Cheek's position it will certainly be a problem.

Susan Martin stepped down last Thursday

 

[volboy81]

We've already had a decade of futility & we aren't Colorado

 

[RollerVol]

Susan Martin stepped down last Thursday

Not as Chancellor... She could still become Chancellor at UT...jus' sayin'...:thud:

GO VOLS!

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Not as Chancellor... She could still become Chancellor at UT...jus' sayin'...:thud:

GO VOLS!

Please Lord don't let this happen

 

[montanatenn]

If Butch can get through all this and keep winning.....

I think we come out of this stronger. A lot of people thought it was a bad idea for CBJ and players to come out in defense of the culture, but looking at it now, it seems to have settled things down. I think it has created a unity in the program we haven't seen in a long time.

 

[Smallvol#1]

Unfortunately I do agree that there is a power struggle amongs athletics vs academic prowess at UT. I truly believe that. It's been suggested in recent years. Academics are important no doubt...but "athletics" has built this program and I truly hate for certain chancellors to fuel this tug-a-war. You can bet it's not a problem at Alabama!

Is the Bama chancellor maybe from Tennessee?

GBO
(And go away jimmy cheek)

 

[KBVol]

Not as Chancellor... She could still become Chancellor at UT...jus' sayin'...:thud:

GO VOLS!

She resigned her provost and senior vice chancellor positions to return to the faculty. Can't imagine that sets her up now become chancellor. Could be wrong, but I suspect she's done in any real leadership position at Tennessee.

 

[Volador]

I think we come out of this stronger. A lot of people thought it was a bad idea for CBJ and players to come out in defense of the culture, but looking at it now, it seems to have settled things down. I think it has created a unity in the program we haven't seen in a long time.

You are on the right track my friend. A lot of good "can" come from a lot of bad.

 

[montanatenn]

You are on the right track my friend. A lot of good "can" come from a lot of bad.

I expect it.

 

[volfan102455]

I was about to post similar thought. I guess those who posted above have not heard of this academic vs athletic power struggle recently. Susan Martin and Jimmy Cheek in particular. Cheek has at least given in a little, but still. If Martin takes Cheek's position it will certainly be a problem.

There should be a place for both at the university. Good students can be good athletics and vice versa. There is a sense of pride and belonging that can be generated by non academic activities that cannot and never will be generated by just academics.

 

[TVOL71]

This is far from over. I think we can come out of this OK, but it will be a while. Almost every one of the incidents has alcohol involved. I think there is a significant problem relating to under age alcohol consumption on campus that needs to be addressed, but that is probably true of just about every college campus in the country, and UT is definitely no worse than most others. At any rate, that is in no way unique to athletes. Buckle up for a long ride.

 

[AM64]

This is far from over. I think we can come out of this OK, but it will be a while. Almost every one of the incidents has alcohol involved. I think there is a significant problem relating to under age alcohol consumption on campus that needs to be addressed, but that is probably true of just about every college campus in the country, and UT is definitely no worse than most others. At any rate, that is in no way unique to athletes. Buckle up for a long ride.

I agree, but I don't think any university in history has conquered either underage drinking or alcohol on campus. We might get further by making the rule that if you were drinking and something bad happened, then you are guilty of contributory behavior. Try some self discipline, and that sometimes the source of the problem is a lot closer to home - just the opposite of the "affluenza" defense.

 

[I40flyer]

How Colorado's football program got mired in a decade of losing - The Denver Post

Allegations, no charges

Those most familiar with CU point to the winter of 2004 as the turning point when the program began to unravel. That's when allegations of sexual assault and other improprieties by CU football players and potential recruits were revealed in a report leaked from the district attorney's office. Though no player or recruit was ever prosecuted, the ensuing furor prompted national headlines. Soon after, those inside the CU athletic department were forced to deal with what came to be called "The Ordeal."

"By the end of my tenure, we had gone through allegations that were unfounded and recruiting issues that were never substantiated," said Barnett, who works as a college football commentator for Sports USA radio. "Nevertheless, it created unrest around our program that made it very difficult to recruit and compete with the likes of Oklahoma and Texas in the Big 12."

"Are there factions in Colorado, and in Boulder and on campus, that don't like athletics? Absolutely," said Steve Bosley, CU's regent at-large. "Are there at other schools? Are there more here? I would guess yes, probably. There are those who think athletics play too big a role, and they would rather it have a diminished role."

The Statement, "...and recruiting issues that were never substantiated", is not the same as "There was NO truth to those charges regarding recruiting". It appears someone has left themselves a little "Wiggle-room".
During our sex/rape scandal, we haven't experienced any "Recruiting (major) violations", and we don't need even a hint.

 

[edyeary]

I went to school at LMU in the early 70s when the drinking age was 18. It was a virtual bacchanal of parties with coeds and teachers. No suits were filed.

 

[I40flyer]

This is far from over. I think we can come out of this OK, but it will be a while. Almost every one of the incidents has alcohol involved. I think there is a significant problem relating to under age alcohol consumption on campus that needs to be addressed, but that is probably true of just about every college campus in the country, and UT is definitely no worse than most others. At any rate, that is in no way unique to athletes. Buckle up for a long ride.

Actual studies contradict your assertion, "That is in no way unique to athletes". Studies of on campus violence has shown that athletes are 10 times more likely to commit violent crimes, to include rape, domestic violence, etc. While it is true, other students-non athletes-also commit these crimes, the numbers are so staggering, it should be addressed. In most cases athletes involved in violent sports (such as football) make up no more than 3% of the student body, but (again- on average across the US) they commit over 30% of these violent crimes. Is it alcohol alone? I don't think so, as alcohol is available to almost every student, so you'd expect if alcohol were the cause, the rate of violent crime committed by students would be very similar regardless of their status as an athlete (violent sport) or not. It's far to easy to blame just alcohol for all the bad things that happen. There are other causes, alcohol may contribute, but then again, it may not.

 

[volfan102455]

Actual studies contradict your assertion, "That is in no way unique to athletes". Studies of on campus violence has shown that athletes are 10 times more likely to commit violent crimes, to include rape, domestic violence, etc. While it is true, other students-non athletes-also commit these crimes, the numbers are so staggering, it should be addressed. In most cases athletes involved in violent sports (such as football) make up no more than 3% of the student body, but (again- on average across the US) they commit over 30% of these violent crimes. Is it alcohol alone? I don't think so, as alcohol is available to almost every student, so you'd expect if alcohol were the cause, the rate of violent crime committed by students would be very similar regardless of their status as an athlete (violent sport) or not. It's far to easy to blame just alcohol for all the bad things that happen. There are other causes, alcohol may contribute, but then again, it may not.

One can take numbers and use them to prove what it is they want to prove especially if they have an agenda. Studies also show that alcohol is involved more than 30% of the time. Studies like this drive me crazy because they are never broad enough to to get to all underlying factors so that those factors can be understood and addressed.