Space Exploration

Are NASA's future missions and budget justified?

  • It's worth the time and expenditures

    Votes: 223 66.0%

  • Complete waste of money

    Votes: 41 12.1%

  • We need to explore, but not at the current cost

    Votes: 74 21.9%
  • Total voters
    338
#601
#601
gcbvol said:
And hopefully this won't hurt space exploration too much.

Senator Ted Cruz appointed to oversee NASA in Congress | The Verge

As the article mentions, he has reasons to support NASA but also has a shaky history when it comes to space funding and science in general. Hopefull he'll stand behind his comments about how it is "critical that the United States ensure its continued leadership in space...".
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You mean NASA's primary mission has been changed from praising the multitude of scientific achievements from the muslim world? Does our supreme leader know about this?😜
 
#602
#602
It is my hope that during my lifetime space tourism (affordable) becomes a reality. I for one would jump at the opportunity, to heck with the kids inheritance.
 
#603
#603
Grand Vol said:
And then again, he could start making them mind their budgets a bit more.

IMO, NASA has no business being in the global warming research. Such things should fall under other departments.
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Only thing NASA should be doing is charging for data and launches.
 
#605
#605
Grand Vol said:
I'll go sit in the corner now lol
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Honestly both guys may be solid in those roles; I hope they are.

My concern has nothing to do with political affiliation, I simply think people with oversight should have some sort of expertise or understanding of the field/agency in scope. I also understand that is not an easy task with the folks we have to choose from in DC.
 
#606
#606
gcbvol said:
Honestly both guys may be solid in those roles; I hope they are.

My concern has nothing to do with political affiliation, I simply think people with oversight should have some sort of expertise or understanding of the field/agency in scope. I also understand that is not an easy task with the folks we have to choose from in DC.
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we should have some experts in the tax evasion field, they should be able to tell the IRS all of their loopholes.
 
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#607
gcbvol said:
And hopefully this won't hurt space exploration too much.

Senator Ted Cruz appointed to oversee NASA in Congress | The Verge

As the article mentions, he has reasons to support NASA but also has a shaky history when it comes to space funding and science in general. Hopefull he'll stand behind his comments about how it is "critical that the United States ensure its continued leadership in space...".
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I'm so pissed about this. He could set back NASA years. He's been the most anti-NASA and anti-science person in congress. No way will he stand behind that statement.
 
#608
#608
VOLatile said:
I'm so pissed about this. He could set back NASA years. He's been the most anti-NASA and anti-science person in congress. No way will he stand behind that statement.
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Yeah, Barry has done so much more..
 

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FLVOL69 said:
Yeah, Barry has done so much more..
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Yeah, I never said anything about previous.

We have a serious lack of scientific understanding and knowledge in congress. Allowing politicians to oversee committees that control scientific funding and decision making is ridiculous. Put someone in charge that isn't swayed by political funding. Pretty damn simple.
 
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VOLatile said:
Yeah, I never said anything about previous.

We have a serious lack of scientific understanding and knowledge in congress. Allowing politicians to oversee committees that control scientific funding and decision making is ridiculous. Put someone in charge that isn't swayed by political funding. Pretty damn simple.
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We're 18 trillion in debt with over 100 trillion in unfunded entitlements , where in the **** are we getting the funding? The private sector does a way better job when it comes to shiite like this..You had better be nice to Ted, he's going to be around for quite some time.
 
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#611
Here's an interesting mix of commercial (scientific community) and government funded research. The Gemini Observatory is civilian owned, but tends to get some significant government grants.

Mysterious Planet X May Really Lurk Undiscovered in Our Solar System

"Planet X" might actually exist — and so might "Planet Y."

At least two planets larger than Earth likely lurk in the dark depths of space far beyond Pluto, just waiting to be discovered, a new analysis of the orbits of "extreme trans-Neptunian objects" (ETNOs) suggests.
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#615
#615
seems to me like terraforming would work just as well here as it would on another planet. if we had the tech we could just fix our planet. interesting idea, still we need to get off this rock.
 
#618
#618
I think it has been mentioned in this thread but i don't remember a link.

people on Mars by 2025, crowd sourced initiative it seems like. if this actually happens I will be shocked and extremely giddy.

Mars One
 
#619
#619
LouderVol said:
I think it has been mentioned in this thread but i don't remember a link.

people on Mars by 2025, crowd sourced initiative it seems like. if this actually happens I will be shocked and extremely giddy.

Mars One
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I just keep thinking this is the largest scam in history for some reason.
 
#621
#621
LouderVol said:
yeah i am definitely in "I will believe it when I see it mode"
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People accept risks and whatnot. It's all part of the exploration of unknown territory and has been a key part of space since Gagarin boldly went around the world. (which was a huge leap of faith knowing Soviet technology at the time wasn't exactly the greatest on the planet)

But funding this the way they are and with the caveat "you aren't coming back no matter what" just seems...implausible by any means. Of sure, some will sign up because they get their names in the news, but I'm just not seeing this one get off the ground if you'll excuse the pun.

I do think if some of the corporate leaders in the industry like Space X, Bigelow, Virgin, Blue Origin and others pooled their resources they could pull something like this off. But going at it alone and based on internet contributions? Not seeing it.

I have a feeling the people that contributed into this will likely feel very scammed in another three years or so. And the Dutch Courts will be taking Mr. Lansdorp into account to pay back a significant sum of money.
 
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Grand Vol said:
People accept risks and whatnot. It's all part of the exploration of unknown territory and has been a key part of space since Gagarin boldly went around the world. (which was a huge leap of faith knowing Soviet technology at the time wasn't exactly the greatest on the planet)

But funding this the way they are and with the caveat "you aren't coming back no matter what" just seems...implausible by any means. Of sure, some will sign up because they get their names in the news, but I'm just not seeing this one get off the ground if you'll excuse the pun.

I do think if some of the corporate leaders in the industry like Space X, Bigelow, Virgin, Blue Origin and others pooled their resources they could pull something like this off. But going at it alone and based on internet contributions? Not seeing it.

I have a feeling the people that contributed into this will likely feel very scammed in another three years or so. And the Dutch Courts will be taking Mr. Lansdorp into account to pay back a significant sum of money.
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they are definitely going to need a big corporate sponsor, any of the ones you mentioned Space X being the best. If nothing else but to just get there. I think that is where they should have started, gotten Corporation Z to be a major partner, then opened it up. it would be a lot more 'real' that way.

there is no way you could convince me to be in the first couple of groups. after something gets going up there, maybe? but from what little digging i did they didn't have much of a plan except to put people up there.
 
#624
#624
none of it seems real or thought out at this point. Living in pods? dirt as water provider and radiation shields? a little rover gets all this set up? what do the people do when they are up there? any future plans on growth besides landing more modules? and actual details on these modules or the systems they will 'use'. they need to be a lot further along in the thought process for this thing to take off. government, resources, health, activity, social interaction, growth where is that information? i would like some technical/scientific break downs on 1. the stuff they are using, 2. the plan for getting there. 3. what they are doing there 4. how this actually helps/improves anything beyond getting people on Mars.
 
#625
#625
I'm all about the commercial sector taking up manned space exploration and colonization where government has failed to do so. But one has to be smart about it in my opinion. And sending people up to die just isn't smart by any measure of the notion.
 
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