Spent the weekend in Clarksville

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Visiting my sister and brother in law who both have served in the Army for 3+ years. Hung out with a lot of military and had a lot interesting conversations. One conversation, though, I need help understanding.

About 10+ soldiers were telling me about a new action the Army is taking under the hand of Obama. Apparently, there have been a lot of lay offs, and its mostly the guys/gals who have already served in Afganistan and Iraq. The layoffs are done during the mandatory reviews and if the soldier has had an "Article 15" during their entire time being in the service, you're gone.

An Article 15 is a minor punishment in the military by the commanding officer, which according to the guys I spoke with, about 40-50% of the soldiers have had an Article 15 at one time.

The reasoning is there are a lot of 18 year olds signing up, so they are cutting out the guys who make more money. Specialist, Staff Sergeants, etc.

I haven't been able to find any more information on this, if anyone can help clear this up, it would be great. Or maybe there is a reason it isn't public. :ermm:
 
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VolsByNature said:
Visiting my sister and brother in law who both have served in the Army for 3+ years. Hung out with a lot of military and had a lot interesting conversations. One conversation, though, I need help understanding.

About 10+ soldiers were telling me about a new action the Army is taking under the hand of Obama. Apparently, there have been a lot of lay offs, and its mostly the guys/gals who have already served in Afganistan and Iraq. The layoffs are done during the mandatory reviews and if the soldier has had an "Article 15" during their entire time being in the service, you're gone.

An Article 15 is a minor punishment in the military by the commanding officer, which according to the guys I spoke with, about 40-50% of the soldiers have had an Article 15 at one time.

The reasoning is there are a lot of 18 year olds signing up, so they are cutting out the guys who make more money. Specialist, Staff Sergeants, etc.

I haven't been able to find any more information on this, if anyone can help clear this up, it would be great. Or maybe there is a reason it isn't public. :ermm:
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That's pretty bad if true.

Really sucks.

What Pisses me off though is that amputations are
spiking in Afghanistan because more patrols are
now being done on foot rather than in armored
vehicles because of new ROIs.

At least that is what I've read.

When I was in article 15s didn't travel from one
base to another, so if you had an art 15 at one
base and were then transferred to another base
the 15 went into file 13 and forgotten.

Unless the UCMJ has been amended (which I
doubt) then what you have heard is wrong.

Having said that, it seems the Obama administration
is far more confortable with prosecuting our own
than the enemy!!
 
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gsvol said:
That's pretty bad if true.

Really sucks.

What Pisses me off though is that amputations are
spiking in Afghanistan because more patrols are
now being done on foot rather than in armored
vehicles because of new ROIs.

At least that is what I've read.

When I was in article 15s didn't travel from one
base to another, so if you had an art 15 at one
base and were then transferred to another base
the 15 went into file 13 and forgotten.

Unless the UCMJ has been amended (which I
doubt) then what you have heard is wrong.

Having said that, it seems the Obama administration
is far more confortable with prosecuting our own
than the enemy!!
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That's what had me scratching my head. All I could get was a "something Obama passed." Whether it was the Army's decision or Obama's, I can't get a straight answer. Although I did talk to a retired veteran, and he told me the same thing.

Looks like I'll have to do more digging around when I go back up there this weekend.
 
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