Spider-man movies getting a reboot

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#2
I'm cool with it. The series went downhill after the first one, and the third was abysmal.
 
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They've all been terrible and that's surprising because it was about the opposite I thought i'd get from Raimi. I thought he would bring some originality but instead he brought fourth the most cliched pieces of junk I've seen in a while.
 
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Crew said:
Reboot? .......this first one isn't 10 years old yet.
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yeah this is my main source of surprise/confusion on this

the movie series is like 8 years old, and also - whether you're a fan or not - the movies have grossed an insane amount of money, even the 3rd one too did huge in the box office

you usually don't reboot something that's either a) financially successful already or b) less than like 12-15 years old

pretty uncommon to see such, especially scrapping everything in the last 8 years including one in the last what, 2-3?
 
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chavisut said:
If you've seen 3:10 to Yuma, he's the son. Better than Tobey Maguire.
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Yeah, I read it on the link they had to his bio. It's been a while since I've seen it, though.

Hey, at least it wasn't Hayden Christensen, destroyer of franchises.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Yeah, I read it on the link they had to his bio. It's been a while since I've seen it, though.

Hey, at least it wasn't Hayden Christensen, destroyer of franchises.
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Has he really earned that title at this point? I dont think he's really gotten any work outside of star wars has he?
 
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TrueOrange said:
yeah i remember that and then some suspense or horror movie I think

but yeah, he's got to do and ruin more movies before he gets a destroyer of franchises label
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You don't remember Goosebumps or Are You Afraid of the Dark? Those were the most compelling pieces of film on Nickelodeon. He tainted them.

Also, he was the worst actor in Factory Girl. Why anyone let him act in an Andy Warhol/Edie Sedgwick piece is beyond me.

All that aside, destroying Star Wars is like peeing on the burning bush (if the Old Testament thing floats your boat). I'm aware that George Lucas played as much a role in doing that, but the only way to make bad writing worse is bad acting/delivery.
 
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#16
Wow....little quick on the reboots aren't we?

All I know is that I can't wait for the Iron Man reboot which I'm sure will hit theaters by Christmas at this rate.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You don't remember Goosebumps or Are You Afraid of the Dark? Those were the most compelling pieces of film on Nickelodeon. He tainted them.

Also, he was the worst actor in Factory Girl. Why anyone let him act in an Andy Warhol/Edie Sedgwick piece is beyond me.

All that aside, destroying Star Wars is like peeing on the burning bush (if the Old Testament thing floats your boat). I'm aware that George Lucas played as much a role in doing that, but the only way to make bad writing worse is bad acting/delivery.
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yeah I'm not going to blame him for either of those. Nick did a terrible job of keeping SNICK alive and eventually just left it for dead. Meanwhile Fox Kids simply just imploded on its weekday self
 
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If they are going to reboot it they should atleast make it different. Do what they did with the Batman series and make it semi-realistic and gritty. Get a guy who realistically could beat up bad guys and be a hard ass too. A guy like Lucas Black they could make nerdy and then turn badass.
 
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Urinal Mint said:
If they are going to reboot it they should atleast make it different. Do what they did with the Batman series and make it semi-realistic and gritty. Get a guy who realistically could beat up bad guys and be a hard ass too. A guy like Lucas Black they could make nerdy and then turn badass.
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I think they did that when they tried to at least tie people's origins (good and bad) into something happening on a biological level of change or a molecular level of change, as opposed to the old Marvel standard of "Man+Radiation = SUPERPOWERS!!!!:crazy:"

Spider-man's character's not a hard ass though nor is he gritty. He's not a "My uncle's dead and I now will take vengance on the scum of the world!" ("Swear to me!" :birgits_giggle:). His character's all about "responsibility comes with power; I got arrogant with my power at first and because of that I lost the man who was a father to me....now I'm constantly trying to redeem myself (at the very least in my eyes) for that big mistake I made." You could say he's more redemption than vengance (Batman)

He doesn't work as gritty; he's supposed to be the everyman behind the mask. Not a plotting brooding type with gadgets. He's not a hard ass; he's supposed to be a good kid who happened to end up with these powers who uses the fact that he's smart enough to get in his opponent's head to frustrate them into mistakes.


Same with Superman; you can make them both into Batman clones if you want, but then all you have is Batman who can fly and Batman that shoots webs. It pretty much loses all other story aspects if you make these guys into Batman/Rorshache clones; they're just not dark characters
 
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That's true. I'm not a huge comic book guy so I dont know alot about the character and how they are suppose to be. I just don't buy guys like Toby McGuire at all fighting crime. They could atleast find a guy who can play off both sides of the character.
 
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Urinal Mint said:
That's true. I'm not a huge comic book guy so I dont know alot about the character and how they are suppose to be. I just don't buy guys like Toby McGuire at all fighting crime. They could atleast find a guy who can play off both sides of the character.
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Right McGuire is a bit weird in the role; I think he worked for the 1st but went down bit by bit from there

One of the ideas though is supposed to be spider-man as peter parker is just a regular, average guy - though sometimes more towards the smart outcast; when the mask is on he becomes free spirited, confident, and almost a completely different person

So the problem is finding someone who can appear as just the average person and play a confident, wise-cracking hero as well
 
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the recent spiderman trilogy started out good, but by the time they wrapped it up with the 3rd one i thought it could have been alot better.

i think this next scene in particular was when i completely lost faith in sam raimi ever directing another spiderman movie or tobey maguire ever playing peter parker....

YouTube - Spiderman 3 Dance Scene
 
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duckman398686 said:
the recent spiderman trilogy started out good, but by the time they wrapped it up with the 3rd one i thought it could have been alot better.

i think this next scene in particular was when i completely lost faith in sam raimi ever directing another spiderman movie or tobey maguire ever playing peter parker....

YouTube - Spiderman 3 Dance Scene
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yeah you know the emo walk strut didnt bother me too much; it was kinda that scene there with the dance that did

of course when you give the creator of evil dead and zombie horror 70s comedies creative control in a movie, these kind of things happened

Yeah the main issue with the 3rd one was they just tried to do too much. They had to write in the death of Franco's character (who does die in the comic) because Franco didn't want to do another movie.
Raimi wanted to add sandman, i believe mainly b/c of the computer animation possibilities; and then they tried to tie him -as he's a second rate villain - by making him uncle ben's killer (that I never understood unless he felt the character had to have immediate impact or it would not work) but that made about half the first movie pointless
Then Marvel pushed in Venom (a villain I actually liked when I was littke) due to the popularity the character carries, and really he along with the other two movie villains were the main three big bad guys in Spider-man. Anyways though the problem is that while it's a good story, Venom is a long one to tell, it's almost like two combined.

You have to tell: him getting the black suit, it making him stronger and such, weird things that hint to its sinister nature, changes in his character either while fighting or interactions with friends and family, he has to be corrupted by more power than he can handle, there has to be the sacrificial villain he shows no mercy to and almost overkills, realize faults, lose black suit, black suit ends up on other guy, you have a villain that not only spiderman cant sense but that now knows everything about him AND is psychotic and thus plays mind games with him, and then eventually big fight. They tried to include all that as almost parallel plot in the movie.


They just tried to do too much, especially villain wise, and it got really, really oversaturated. Too much went on and the stuff about the wedding engagement and....there was just too much going on



sorry lol you drew out the 8 year old inside of me that used to read all these comics :)
 
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TrueOrange said:
yeah you know the emo walk strut didnt bother me too much; it was kinda that scene there with the dance that did

of course when you give the creator of evil dead and zombie horror 70s comedies creative control in a movie, these kind of things happened

Yeah the main issue with the 3rd one was they just tried to do too much. They had to write in the death of Franco's character (who does die in the comic) because Franco didn't want to do another movie.
Raimi wanted to add sandman, i believe mainly b/c of the computer animation possibilities; and then they tried to tie him -as he's a second rate villain - by making him uncle ben's killer (that I never understood unless he felt the character had to have immediate impact or it would not work) but that made about half the first movie pointless
Then Marvel pushed in Venom (a villain I actually liked when I was littke) due to the popularity the character carries, and really he along with the other two movie villains were the main three big bad guys in Spider-man. Anyways though the problem is that while it's a good story, Venom is a long one to tell, it's almost like two combined.

You have to tell: him getting the black suit, it making him stronger and such, weird things that hint to its sinister nature, changes in his character either while fighting or interactions with friends and family, he has to be corrupted by more power than he can handle, there has to be the sacrificial villain he shows no mercy to and almost overkills, realize faults, lose black suit, black suit ends up on other guy, you have a villain that not only spiderman cant sense but that now knows everything about him AND is psychotic and thus plays mind games with him, and then eventually big fight. They tried to include all that as almost parallel plot in the movie.


They just tried to do too much, especially villain wise, and it got really, really oversaturated. Too much went on and the stuff about the wedding engagement and....there was just too much going on



sorry lol you drew out the 8 year old inside of me that used to read all these comics :)
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I've liked all 3 spiderman movies but i do agree the 3rd one did have too much. I think they could have done without the sandman and that terrible dance scene.
 
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