Spurrier, Fulmer: Friendly foes?

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SPURRIER, FULMER FRIENDLY FOES
RON MORRIS, Columnist

THIS WAS THE true test of the sincerity of the respect/friendship/mutual admiration between football coaches Steve Spurrier and Phil Fulmer. The USC and Tennessee coaches claim to enjoy each other's company despite their well-documented exchange of barbs through the years.

Whose telephone number shows up on my cell phone during an interview with Fulmer Wednesday afternoon at the State Fairgrounds?
Spurrier's, of course.

Fulmer gestured for me to hand him the phone.

Off the two coaching titans went on a conversation that sounded on one end as if Fulmer was talking to an old college buddy. Fulmer, wearing the shirttail out on his Big Orange-colored shirt, leaned back in his chair. He might as well have been sitting next to the grill on his back deck, chatting as he cooked.

They asked about each other's wives, who share a passion for working out. Fulmer asked about Spurrier's score on a recent round of golf at Augusta National. Spurrier inquired about an old friend, Tennessee women's basketball coach Pat Summitt, who recently underwent shoulder surgery.

Fulmer wanted to know if Spurrier had finalized plans to attend a coaches' meeting in Las Vegas. And the two concluded the conversation by saying they looked forward to meeting again at an upcoming Southeastern Conference gathering in Florida.

A year ago, fresh into his new job at USC, Spurrier picked up his verbal exchanges with Fulmer right where he left off during his 12-year run as Florida's head coach.

"This was not a full-blown fight," Spurrier said upon hearing that one of his USC players was involved in an off-the-field skirmish. "If you want to read about some full-blown fights, read about the Tennessee players, not our guys. We've not had any knockdown, drag-out fights amongst our players."

During Spurrier's days at Florida, Fulmer mostly accepted Spurrier's sparring and moved on. That was the case when Spurrier said, "You can't spell citrus without 'UT,'" a reference to Tennessee's repeated appearances in the second-tier Citrus Bowl while Florida was annually playing in the SEC championship game.

But a year ago Fulmer fought back, at least verbally.

"That doesn't bother me one bit," Fulmer said in response to Spurrier's gibe about the fights. "He's got plenty to do, I'm sure. Maybe it rained that day and he didn't get to play golf. I don't know."

Fulmer had positioned himself well to exchange such quips with Spurrier. Before 2005, his Tennessee team had averaged 10 wins per season during a 10-year period. The Vols also won two SEC championships and, in 1998, a national title.

But the fortunes of Fulmer's and Spurrier's teams unexpectedly reversed last season. Tennessee, which finished 5-6, had a losing record and failed to qualify for a bowl game for the first time in 14 years under Fulmer. USC, thought to be in the first season of a major rebuilding job under Spurrier, went 7-5 and played in the Independence Bowl.

Among USC's wins was a stunning 16-15 victory over Tennessee in Knoxville.

During a recent Gamecock Club meeting, Spurrier was asked what he said to Fulmer after that game.

"I didn't have to say too much," Spurrier said. "He had the look on his face as if his wife and children had a car wreck. He wasn't happy, and I understand because we've all been there."

When told of Spurrier's comments Wednesday, Fulmer laughed. He offered no response. Frankly, he has more important things to concern himself with this off-season. He says his Tennessee football team must regain an "attitude" it seemed to lack last year.

In addition to bringing in a new offensive line coach and offensive coordinator, Fulmer said he and his staff have examined every phase of their program, from the way they conduct practice to the philosophical approach of running the offense. He said the self- evaluation process is no different than what CEOs do in the business world.

"Vicky is a great coach's wife, and she says sometimes to really appreciate the peaks that you've had, you have to have a valley," Fulmer said. "We've had our (valley). I appreciate it, and I don't want to do it again.

"We've just got to get ourselves back on our feet, back on track."

Maybe then Fulmer will be more inclined to jab back at Spurrier.

When told that Spurrier was not impressed by the 150-plus showing for the inaugural Columbia stop on Tennessee's Big Orange Caravan, Fulmer just laughed. He really seemed to appreciate Spurrier's sense of humor.
 
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I'd say if push came to shove, these two guys would go out on a limb to help the other keep his job. :dunno:
 
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(utfantilidie @ May 19 said:
I'd say if push came to shove, these two guys would go out on a limb to help the other keep his job. :dunno:
I'm sure Spurrier would. He likes having an automatic win on his schedule.
 
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(utfantilidie @ May 19 said:
I'd say if push came to shove, these two guys would go out on a limb to help the other keep his job. :dunno:


No way. Don't you remember? No coaches or media respect or like CPF. He is a dolt and a horrible coach.
 
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(VolBeef88 @ May 19 said:
No way. Don't you remember? No coaches or media respect or like CPF. He is a dolt and a horrible coach.
Good to see you're coming around.
 
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Hey hate, Somthing you might be interested in. I know coach Gene Stallings quite well. He ownes a ranch not far from Paris Texas and is in the cattle business. Over the years I've established somewhat of a friendship with him. I tease him all the time about how our national championshiip ring is nicer than his. You can only imagine his response. He is a very good man. That pains me to say about a bammer, big time. But he is. I've asked him about CPF and what he thinks of him. He told me that CPF was a good football coach and a better man. That CPF will always have a problem with the media because that is not one of his strengths. He said one of CPF's strengths is getting his guys ready to punch you in the mouth and man handle you. He said CPF nature will not make him a media favorite ever. But he added it should make him a fan favorite. As for last year he said he couldn't believe that was a Tennessee team. But he added that sometimes it takes a knocking to get yourself straightened out.
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 19 said:
I'm sure Spurrier would. He likes having an automatic win on his schedule.
Well, if he helps you keep a 2 mil dollar a year job, knock yourself out!
 
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(VolBeef88 @ May 19 said:
Hey hate, Somthing you might be interested in. I know coach Gene Stallings quite well. He ownes a ranch not far from Paris Texas and is in the cattle business. Over the years I've established somewhat of a friendship with him. I tease him all the time about how our national championshiip ring is nicer than his. You can only imagine his response. He is a very good man. That pains me to say about a bammer, big time. But he is. I've asked him about CPF and what he thinks of him. He told me that CPF was a good football coach and a better man. That CPF will always have a problem with the media because that is not one of his strengths. He said one of CPF's strengths is getting his guys ready to punch you in the mouth and man handle you. He said CPF nature will not make him a media favorite ever. But he added it should make him a fan favorite. As for last year he said he couldn't believe that was a Tennessee team. But he added that sometimes it takes a knocking to get yourself straightened out.
I always had great admiration for Coach Stallings. He was a class individual. His relationship with his son is one of the most touching things I've ever seen. Actually, I would agree with his assessment of Fulmer's strength. It's just that I don't think he's produced a team that has exhibited those qualities on a consistent basis in a long time. The '04 team had its moments of being a physical, tough minded bunch. However, we've been more of a finesse team for some time. Look at the '03 and '04 Auburn games as examples. You will rarely see a team get beaten up worse than we did in those contests.
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 19 said:
I always had great admiration for Coach Stallings. He was a class individual. His relationship with his son is one of the most touching things I've ever seen. Actually, I would agree with his assessment of Fulmer's strength. It's just that I don't think he's produced a team that has exhibited those qualities on a consistent basis in a long time. The '04 team had its moments of being a physical, tough minded bunch. However, we've been more of a finesse team for some time. Look at the '03 and '04 Auburn games as examples. You will rarely see a team get beaten up worse than we did in those contests.

Darn it boy, you've got to stop saying things I agree with.

But you've hit a special nerve with me. Gene Stallings is one of coaching's all-time great people.

Gene is from my mom's hometown of Paris Texas. My Uncle is a close friend of Gene's. He built the home Gene now lives in.

Having a young brother who is Down’s Syndrome myself, I've always followed Gene's career and have admired the way he has incorporated his
son into his career and life. Having vacationed in Paris annually as a youngster, and continuing that relationship through my Uncle’s friendship with Gene, I can say the Stallings family is top drawer.
 
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(OldVol @ May 19 said:
Darn it boy, you've got to stop saying things I agree with.

But you've hit a special nerve with me. Gene Stallings is one of coaching's all-time great people.

Gene is from my mom's hometown of Paris Texas. My Uncle is a close friend of Gene's. He built the home Gene now lives in.

Must be a bammer.
 
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This thread reminds me of an old joke....




What do Gene Stallings and the Pope have in common?

Both of them are former Cardinals, and neither one knows a d*mned thing about football :eek:lol:




Just some fuel for the fires.
 
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(OldVol @ May 19 said:
Darn it boy, you've got to stop saying things I agree with.

But you've hit a special nerve with me. Gene Stallings is one of coaching's all-time great people.

Gene is from my mom's hometown of Paris Texas. My Uncle is a close friend of Gene's. He built the home Gene now lives in.

Having a young brother who is Down’s Syndrome myself, I've always followed Gene's career and have admired the way he has incorporated his
son into his career and life. Having vacationed in Paris annually as a youngster, and continuing that relationship through my Uncle’s friendship with Gene, I can say the Stallings family is top drawer.
I wouldn't give Hat my home phone# just yet OldVol. :biggrin2:
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 19 said:
I always had great admiration for Coach Stallings. He was a class individual. His relationship with his son is one of the most touching things I've ever seen. Actually, I would agree with his assessment of Fulmer's strength. It's just that I don't think he's produced a team that has exhibited those qualities on a consistent basis in a long time. The '04 team had its moments of being a physical, tough minded bunch. However, we've been more of a finesse team for some time. Look at the '03 and '04 Auburn games as examples. You will rarely see a team get beaten up worse than we did in those contests.


I think we got a little bit away from what our strengths in the past have been as well. I agree with Coach Stallings in that sometimes you have to get knocked down to see it. I also think that probably the biggest single problem CPF has had in the past is loyalty to his staff and to an extent his players. I think we have probably seen the last of the "to much loyalty" out of CPF. He will still be loyal as that is his M.O. but I think the level he will accept failure has dropped drastically. Everyone sit still and watch. UT will have a very good year in 2006.
 
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(VolBeef88 @ May 19 said:
I think we got a little bit away from what our strengths in the past have been as well. I agree with Coach Stallings in that sometimes you have to get knocked down to see it. I also think that probably the biggest single problem CPF has had in the past is loyalty to his staff and to an extent his players. I think we have probably seen the last of the "to much loyalty" out of CPF. He will still be loyal as that is his M.O. but I think the level he will accept failure has dropped drastically. Everyone sit still and watch. UT will have a very good year in 2006.
I hope you're right.
 
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(VolBeef88 @ May 19 said:
I think we got a little bit away from what our strengths in the past have been as well. I agree with Coach Stallings in that sometimes you have to get knocked down to see it. I also think that probably the biggest single problem CPF has had in the past is loyalty to his staff and to an extent his players. I think we have probably seen the last of the "to much loyalty" out of CPF. He will still be loyal as that is his M.O. but I think the level he will accept failure has dropped drastically. Everyone sit still and watch. UT will have a very good year in 2006.

I don't think it has been that simple. I think CPF has had a cash problem. He has been busy counting it while losing control of his football team. I don't think he is a bad guy or a terrible coach, but I do think he rested on his laurels and lost his drive, and a CEO cannot afford to do that period. Maybe Cut is the answer. I hope things get turned around, but only time will tell.
 
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(Lexvol @ May 19 said:
I don't think it has been that simple. I think CPF has had a cash problem. He has been busy counting it while losing control of his football team. I don't think he is a bad guy or a terrible coach, but I do think he rested on his laurels and lost his drive, and a CEO cannot afford to do that period. Maybe Cut is the answer. I hope things get turned around, but only time will tell.


People get comfortable in their position after time. Especially after a great ammount of success. Doesn't make it right, but it happens. Few can keep the fire at a constant for an extended period without a drop of some sort. Then if they have it in them they learn and don't go back. I have seen this same scenario many times in business as well as in coaching.
 
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I keep coming back to same conclusion about Fulmer. Fulmer's problems are a result of the new coaches who have been brought into the SEC since 98. Fortunately Saban is gone, but Fulmer now has to coach against Spurrier, Meyer, and Miles.

I think Cutcliffe has got the program going in the right direction, but is one year enough time for Cutcliffe to turn the program around.

Fl will probably be the best team UT will play. GA they are tough every year under Richt. Miles at LSU looked strong at the end of last year. With Cal, Fulmer has got another very tough schedule.
 
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(oklavol @ May 19 said:
I keep coming back to same conclusion about Fulmer. Fulmer's problems are a result of the new coaches who have been brought into the SEC since 98. Fortunately Saban is gone, but Fulmer now has to coach against Spurrier, Meyer, and Miles.

I think Cutcliffe has got the program going in the right direction, but is one year enough time for Cutcliffe to turn the program around.

Fl will probably be the best team UT will play. GA they are tough every year under Richt. Miles at LSU looked strong at the end of last year. With Cal, Fulmer has got another very tough schedule.
LSU is better than Florida. That said, Les Miles is not an exceptional coach. I'll be charitable and say he's a good coach.
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 19 said:
LSU is better than Florida. That said, Les Miles is not an exceptional coach. I'll be charitable and say he's a good coach.


I'll agree with you on Miles hate. But I don't think that CPF problems are other coaches. I think that perhaps he got a little to comfotable and was way to loyal to his staff. Sometimes we (as humans) have a tendency to get a little barn blind and think we have a horse who's better than he really is and we keep making excuses for him and try to make him more of a horse than he is. I'm not just talking about CRS either. Other staff members and maybe even some position players. I truly think we will see the UT of old this year. I'm not saying we will go undefeated, but we will be much, much better.
 

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