State of College Football

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Just curious if anyone else has noticed how certain coaches have mastered the process of producing elite college programs? However these same programs tend not to produce elite professional talent. For example who would still draft a QB from USCw right now given there QB's production level in the NFL? Alabama is great but where is all that talent in the NFL. Just a few examples, your thoughts.
 
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USC produces plenty of NFL talent, I consider it an anomaly that their QB's haven't panned out. Carson Palmer gets a bad rap though, he was legit in Cincy until the Steelers ended his season on a cheap shot. He's been balling for Oakland this year.

It still holds that while talent does not necessarily translate to championships, championships generally cannot be won without talent.
 
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I do agree with you concerning Palmer but lets look at the great college running backs and receivers they've had recently. Also I was just using them as an example, there are plenty other schools out there that I believe fall into this same category. JMO
 
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Richardson has looked great, but he's on a terrible team.

Cody has been very solid for the Ravens.

Julio has been terrific for the Falcons.

McClain and Carpenter both start.

I don't get how you don't see Bama's talent in the league.
 
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Julio Jones is a beast and I think Richardson will be a solid back. Other than those two, name any other stud Saban has produced at Bama. Every major college is capable of having a starter or two in the league. I just believe college football coaches are becoming concerned only with themselves and nit the quality they send to the next level. Your thoughts?
 
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Talent is big but TEAM PLAYERS ARE BIGGER.
QBs are rare, but wait a while and you'll see QBs from non-BCS schools work their way up.
 
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bamawriter said:
Richardson has looked great, but he's on a terrible team.

Cody has been very solid for the Ravens.

Julio has been terrific for the Falcons.

McClain and Carpenter both start.

I don't get how you don't see Bama's talent in the league.
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Cody started out okay but has been a big letdown in his third year.

Courtney Upshaw has made up for that, though. He's had a pretty strong rookie year.
 
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Some coaches don't necessarily need the kind of talent that you would have to have in the NFL to be successful. Oregon has a lot of players with speed that wouldn't really be all-around great players in the NFL. That's the system that Kelly runs, and those are the kind of players that they need. Same thing goes for some of Urban Meyer's offensive players the past few years.

Guys like Tebow have proven over time that you can truly shine in CFB without transitioning that talent to the NFL.

Some guys are 10/10 in any one category. WRs in college can get by being REALLY good at 2 or 3 of these things only:
-they run great routes
-they have amazing hands
-they can JUMP
-they're strong/physical
-they're incredibly fast
-they can block for the run game
-they're a leader
-they can stay healthy
-they're incredibly smart

of course this is also contingent on them not being morons off the field

in the NFL they'd have to be great at 5 or 6 of those things, and 8/10 on the rest.

The fact is that there's only 32 teams in the league, and there are 124 FBS teams. Not to mention that talent is also pulled from teams outside of the FBS for the NFL.

In college you find talent where you can and you plug it into your system. Some teams have the pick of the litter, some have to make it work for themselves.

The coaches who can handle that discrepancy the best are respected (Boise), the coaches that earn their way and get the best of the best are envied (Bama), and the guys who can't do that get canned (UK).


Also, guys in CFB with talent can shine early and throughout their career. A talented DL can come in and prove their worth early working against upper classmen, then spend their last 2 years destroying guys that have only been starting on their OL for 1-2 years.
Once they jump to the NFL, they might line up against someone who has been starting on their pro team's OL for 6 or more years. It's hard to continue that dominance when you're facing someone who can handle you.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
Some coaches don't necessarily need the kind of talent that you would have to have in the NFL to be successful. Oregon has a lot of players with speed that wouldn't really be all-around great players in the NFL. That's the system that Kelly runs, and those are the kind of players that they need. Same thing goes for some of Urban Meyer's offensive players the past few years.

Guys like Tebow have proven over time that you can truly shine in CFB without transitioning that talent to the NFL.

Some guys are 10/10 in any one category. WRs in college can get by being REALLY good at 2 or 3 of these things only:
-they run great routes
-they have amazing hands
-they can JUMP
-they're strong/physical
-they're incredibly fast
-they can block for the run game
-they're a leader
-they can stay healthy
-they're incredibly smart

of course this is also contingent on them not being morons off the field

in the NFL they'd have to be great at 5 or 6 of those things, and 8/10 on the rest.

The fact is that there's only 32 teams in the league, and there are 124 FBS teams. Not to mention that talent is also pulled from teams outside of the FBS for the NFL.

In college you find talent where you can and you plug it into your system. Some teams have the pick of the litter, some have to make it work for themselves.

The coaches who can handle that discrepancy the best are respected (Boise), the coaches that earn their way and get the best of the best are envied (Bama), and the guys who can't do that get canned (UK).


Also, guys in CFB with talent can shine early and throughout their career. A talented DL can come in and prove their worth early working against upper classmen, then spend their last 2 years destroying guys that have only been starting on their OL for 1-2 years.
Once they jump to the NFL, they might line up against someone who has been starting on their pro team's OL for 6 or more years. It's hard to continue that dominance when you're facing someone who can handle you.
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Spot on! Really nice post.
 
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Great feedback. One thing that bothers me is how some coaches in college are touted as gurus or geniuses. When the reality is your product(system) does not work at the next level and they know it. To me it seems coaches should coach for you to become successful at football, not just college football.
 
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jwill said:
Great feedback. One thing that bothers me is how some coaches in college are touted as gurus or geniuses. When the reality is your product(system) does not work at the next level and they know it. To me it seems coaches should coach for you to become successful at football, not just college football.
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Coaches coach to win. That is what they are paid to do. They aren't paid to coach/ get players to the next level. Their schemes work in college because they are designed for college. The spread, zone read, etc. is less successful in the NFL because the players are faster, both mentally and physically.

NFL defenses have few weaknesses compared to their college counterparts. Coaching is all about exploiting those weaknesses and ultimately scoring points. Those offenses mentioned exploit mental weaknesses like "Staying home" etc. You don't have as many missed assignments in the NFL.
 
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