Sugar Bowl: #15 Texas vs #5 Georgia

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VOL_Lyfe said:
So much for the "we got jobbed out of the CFP" talk.
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Swift was one of the players who was tweeting at the College Football Playoff Selection Committee during the semifinals. He was horrendous last night. He had more fumbles than he did yards in the 1st half. That team deserved a taste of humble pie.
 
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Here’s an interesting stat. Teams that finished 5th in the final college football playoff rankings are now 1-5 in their bowl games. UGA got smoked, but that’s pretty telling.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Here’s an interesting stat. Teams that finished 5th in the final college football playoff rankings are now 1-5 in their bowl games. UGA got smoked, but that’s pretty telling.
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That is interesting. Teams that just miss the playoffs, come out flat.

We need to pool all our money next year and...........Vegas baby.
 
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GAVol said:
It's funny how their memories got short. Richt got them to where they hadn't been in 15 years and was pure class but people couldn't stand seeing Alabama, Florida, Auburn, LSU, Tennessee and even Georgia Tech have national titles since they managed to get one.
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Their memories are short because they see their program as one that should be dynastic. It pains me to say this, but frankly, they aren't wrong. Everything about UGA - recruiting, location, facilities, tradition, fan support, etc. is set up for them to have an Alabama-like dynasty. They really should be the SEC's flagship program, not Alabama. Georgia should have an Alabama, Ohio St, or Oklahoma-like football history, but they don't. Hell, their history isn't even as storied as Tennessee's, IMO.

They loved Richt in those first few seasons, when he was getting them places they hadn't been in 15 years. When it became obvious there was a limit to how far he could take them, they turned. They'll do the same thing to Kirby, but much quicker, if they ever make the same determination about him. He has a little more leeway now because he actually played for a title, something Richt never did.
 
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05_never_again said:
Their memories are short because they see their program as one that should be dynastic. It pains me to say this, but frankly, they aren't wrong. Everything about UGA - recruiting, location, facilities, tradition, fan support, etc. is set up for them to have an Alabama-like dynasty. They really should be the SEC's flagship program, not Alabama. Georgia should have an Alabama, Ohio St, or Oklahoma-like football history, but they don't. Hell, their history isn't even as storied as Tennessee's, IMO.

They loved Richt in those first few seasons, when he was getting them places they hadn't been in 15 years. When it became obvious there was a limit to how far he could take them, they turned. They'll do the same thing to Kirby, but much quicker, if they ever make the same determination about him. He has a little more leeway now because he actually played for a title, something Richt never did.
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They were on the way there during the Herschel Walker years ('80-'82) but then an English professor named Jan Kemp exposed rampant academic fraud within the Georgia football team following the 1982 Sugar Bowl loss to Pittsburgh. Georgia had played several players that season who should have been academically ineligible. She was fired in retaliation and sued the University of Georgia over it. The ensuing trial was ugly for the University of Georgia and especially their athletic department. It confirmed everything Kemp had claimed (she was awarded $1.8 million) and it was very damaging to their reputation for a long time. Vince Dooley retired not long afterward (he has always claimed that was his choice but he was only 56 years old at the time). They were headed down following the scandal anyway but they compounded their troubles by hiring Ray Goff, who was too young and inexperienced to be a head coach in the SEC. Some observers have speculated that this was by design and the University Administration wanted to de-emphasize football following the scandal while they were rebuilding the reputation of their university. To some extent, that is probably true. While Tennessee and other SEC schools were expanding their stadiums and building indoor practice facilities, Georgia was standing pat and falling behind. It is not a stretch to say that the 9 game losing streak Georgia had to Tennessee from 1989-1999 coupled with losing 9 out of 10 to Florida over that same stretch of time, was a motivating factor in their shift in priorities which culminated with the hiring of Mark Richt after the 2000 season.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
They were on the way there during the Herschel Walker years ('80-'82) but then an English professor named Jan Kemp exposed rampant academic fraud within the Georgia football team following the 1982 Sugar Bowl loss to Pittsburgh. Georgia had played several players that season who should have been academically ineligible. She was fired in retaliation and sued the University of Georgia over it. The ensuing trial was ugly for the University of Georgia and especially their athletic department. It confirmed everything Kemp had claimed (she was awarded $1.8 million) and it was very damaging to their reputation for a long time. Vince Dooley retired not long afterward (he has always claimed that was his choice but he was only 56 years old at the time). They were headed down following the scandal anyway but they compounded their troubles by hiring Ray Goff, who was too young and inexperienced to be a head coach in the SEC. Some observers have speculated that this was by design and the University Administration wanted to de-emphasize football following the scandal while they were rebuilding the reputation of their university. To some extent, that is probably true. While Tennessee and other SEC schools were expanding their stadiums and building indoor practice facilities, Georgia was standing pat and falling behind. It is not a stretch to say that the 9 game losing streak Georgia had to Tennessee from 1989-1999 coupled with losing 9 out of 10 to Florida over that same stretch of time, was a motivating factor in their shift in priorities which culminated with the hiring of Mark Richt after the 2000 season.
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The Jan Kemp stuff, while a big event, is an excuse used by Dawg fans. Georgia shouldn't have to play academically ineligible guys in order to win titles. That area is oozing in talent.
 
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05_never_again said:
The Jan Kemp stuff, while a big event, is an excuse used by Dawg fans. Georgia shouldn't have to play academically ineligible guys in order to win titles. That area is oozing in talent.
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Supposedly, they fixed grades for about 7 or 8 guys to play in the Sugar Bowl when they won their national title and that's what started the Jan Kemp saga. Dooley definitely was forced to pull back on the recruiting reins in the mid 80s. Then he had heart problems and they made a Bill Battle type hire. If they had hired Erk Russell like the boosters wanted them to, UGA would've taken off like a rocket.
 
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GAVol said:
Supposedly, they fixed grades for about 7 or 8 guys to play in the Sugar Bowl when they won their national title and that's what started the Jan Kemp saga. Dooley definitely was forced to pull back on the recruiting reins in the mid 80s. Then he had heart problems and they made a Bill Battle type hire. If they had hired Erk Russell like the boosters wanted them to, UGA would've taken off like a rocket.
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Right, but I'm saying the Jan Kemp stuff can't be an excuse for their underachievement today. I guess I can see how it impacted the rest of Dooley's tenure and who they hired after Dooley, but I don't think it explains their underachievement into the late 90s and certainly after Richt showed up.

Also, why was Georgia never hit with massive sanctions/probation for that?
 
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05_never_again said:
Right, but I'm saying the Jan Kemp stuff can't be an excuse for their underachievement today. I guess I can see how it impacted the rest of Dooley's tenure and who they hired after Dooley, but I don't think it explains their underachievement into the late 90s and certainly after Richt showed up.

Also, why was Georgia never hit with massive sanctions/probation for that?
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They definitely dodged a major bullet. I think the NCAA realized that they were going to open Pandoras Box and instead put Prop 48 in place for everybody. UGA tightened up on academic restrictions for incoming recruits. No partial qualifiers and no academic exceptions. It likely contributed to Dooley retiring early and it took until the Jim Donnan era for them to loosen up a little. Donnan supposedly told the team during his first Spring practice that a third of them would've never seen the field at 1-AA Marshall where he had just come from.

I agree though that since the Richt era, that's been irrelevant.
 
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Donnan supposedly told the team during his first Spring practice that a third of them would've never seen the field at 1-AA Marshall where he had just come from.

I agree though that since the Richt era, that's been irrelevant.[/QUOTE]

Really? I've heard that's a big no-no.
 
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