Taggart out at FSU

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VOLnMiami said:
It would not shock me at all if they grabbed Lane Kiffin....He could do really good there the way he recruits...Plus they could get him at bargain basement price...He would have a chance to torture UF every year too.
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That would be must see TV until the NCAA comes down hard on FSU
 
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Firebirdparts said:
I was ignoring FSU and Oregon when Taggart was hired, and so as he failed at FSU I began to wonder how Oregon fans felt about his hiring and leaving, both. I think of Oregon as a pretty important job and coaching 1 year at any school is just strange. In hindsight, of course they're glad. We weren't. When Kiffin collapsed, we still wanted him back. I'm very sure they don't. Here's one article about Oregon's perspective on his failure.
Canzano: Willie Taggart’s firing leaves Oregon Ducks as the only winner
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The Taggart hire was interesting for Oregon. Oregon needed to hire someone from "outside" the program as Helfrich had left a bad taste in Oregon fans mouths. Taggart looked like a good hire. It's a bit risky hiring someone from the "wrong" coast. They tend to be short term hires. Hope Cristobal is the real deal and a long term hire. He's doing things the right way.

As for Willie's "success" at FSU, I suppose I have to admit a bit of pleasure in seeing him fail. Although in hind sight I'm very glad he didn't stay so I shouldn't really care or complain.

As for Leach heading to FSU I can see that working for a while. Recruiting will suffer under Leach. That's my guess...
 
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Thanks for commenting. I think you are right about Leach, but I'm no analyst of football.
 
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I just don’t see what firing a guy less than 2 years on the job does for your program or perception. Of course there will be interest in the job with the resources FSU has and the ease of recruiting in FL. But it’s setting a bad precedent that will make the top candidates think about whether they want to uproot their families for a job they could potentially be out of in a year and a half. Is it worth it? For some maybe but I don’t think it’s as easy a decision as most think.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
As for Willie's "success" at FSU, I suppose I have to admit a bit of pleasure in seeing him fail. Although in hind sight I'm very glad he didn't stay so I shouldn't really care or complain.

As for Leach heading to FSU I can see that working for a while. Recruiting will suffer under Leach. That's my guess...
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People keep acting like Oregon dodged a bullet, but in reality, that Oregon staff was brought over by Taggart. The difference is that Jimbo Fisher left Florida State in terrible shape, whereas Oregon was not that far from being competitive when Taggart took the job there. This is why you don't fire coaches after 2 years; particularly with a big rebuilding job. The problems at FSU were created by Fisher; not Taggart.

I don't see Leach going to FSU. They fired Taggart after 1.5 years. It took Leach 4 years to rebuild Wash State. How's he going to feel about an impatient AD that's not going to give him time to implement his system?

Great coaches know that rebuilding takes time and they aren't going to be very happy about how short of a leash the Florida State AD has provided. Add in the fact that FSU is hiring another AD soon and you have even more chaos.

FSU might get lucky and get Mark Stoops, but outside of Stoops and Kiffin, I think they are going to have trouble attracting top-tier candidates. It's a good job, but no one wants to walk into a rebuilding situation and be told "beat Miami and Florida within 2 years ... or ELSE!"
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Listening to local radio this morning someone “close” to the situation said: “it’s nowhere near as attractive Of a job as it once was or the fans think. FSU will struggle to hire a good coach”
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No job is as attractive as the fans think, but not sure why that guy would have said that. They are only 6 years removed from a national title and 3 years removed from a top 10 finish/NY6 bowl win. They are much closer to a period of success than rebuilding jobs like Tennessee or Nebraska are.

The most unattractive thing about the job, other than the fact that the team isn't very good right now (which that's always a given when a team fires a coach) is that Clemson is in their division. But Clemson is also the only other dominant football program in the entire conference. The right hire will have them being a good team again in just a couple years, IMO.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
People keep acting like Oregon dodged a bullet, but in reality, that Oregon staff was brought over by Taggart. The difference is that Jimbo Fisher left Florida State in terrible shape, whereas Oregon was not that far from being competitive when Taggart took the job there. This is why you don't fire coaches after 2 years; particularly with a big rebuilding job. The problems at FSU were created by Fisher; not Taggart.

I don't see Leach going to FSU. They fired Taggart after 1.5 years. It took Leach 4 years to rebuild Wash State. How's he going to feel about an impatient AD that's not going to give him time to implement his system?

Great coaches know that rebuilding takes time and they aren't going to be very happy about how short of a leash the Florida State AD has provided. Add in the fact that FSU is hiring another AD soon and you have even more chaos.

FSU might get lucky and get Mark Stoops, but outside of Stoops and Kiffin, I think they are going to have trouble attracting top-tier candidates. It's a good job, but no one wants to walk into a rebuilding situation and be told "beat Miami and Florida within 2 years ... or ELSE!"
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In FSU defense Taggart didn’t help himself by making horrible decisions on game day and looking like he can’t coach up a team.
 
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05_never_again said:
No job is as attractive as the fans think, but not sure why that guy would have said that. They are only 6 years removed from a national title and 3 years removed from a top 10 finish/NY6 bowl win. They are much closer to a period of success than rebuilding jobs like Tennessee or Nebraska are.

The most unattractive thing about the job, other than the fact that the team isn't very good right now (which that's always a given when a team fires a coach) is that Clemson is in their division. But Clemson is also the only other dominant football program in the entire conference. The right hire will have them being a good team again in just a couple years, IMO.
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I would think they can rebuild with relative ease. I’d love to know how close this person is or if he’s just a Taggart guy stirring the pot.

I’ve seen the following:

1. It’s a former “all women’s” college
2. Money isn’t there after the buyout
3. Expectations are out of reach
 
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Dudleys87 said:
In FSU defense Taggart didn’t help himself by making horrible decisions on game day and looking like he can’t coach up a team.
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Absolutely no different than his first 2 years at USF. He inherited a rebuilding job there and took till Year 3 and Year 4 to turns things around. He looked terrible in Year 1 and Year 2 at USF. Frankly, you can't hire a guy knowing he's probably going to take 3-5 years and then fire him after 1.5 seasons.

Taggart has never been a brilliant game-day coach. He's a program builder. But program builders tend to be more successful in college football over the long-term.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Absolutely no different than his first 2 years at USF. He inherited a rebuilding job there and took till Year 3 and Year 4 to turns things around. He looked terrible in Year 1 and Year 2 at USF. Frankly, you can't hire a guy knowing he's probably going to take 3-5 years and then fire him after 1.5 seasons.

Taggart has never been a brilliant game-day coach. He's a program builder. But program builders tend to be more successful in college football over the long-term.
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That’s the administration’s fault.
They pulled a Tennessee and will likely suffer for it.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
I would think they can rebuild with relative ease. I’d love to know how close this person is or if he’s just a Taggart guy stirring the pot.

I’ve seen the following:

1. It’s a former “all women’s” college
2. Money isn’t there after the buyout
3. Expectations are out of reach
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lol - I'm not sure what reason #1 would have to do with it at this point.

I think the expectations would be, after somewhat of a rebuilding period, to compete with Clemson and Florida and be better than Miami. Just a couple years ago, they were doing that. Hell, they were much better than all of those programs just 5 or so years ago. People are such prisoners of the moment - they think whatever condition exists at the moment is destined to persist forever. It's a favorite pastime of CFB fans to point to a historically good program who is down and tell them that they'll never be good again.

A beef Jimbo had with the admin/boosters while he was there was that they wouldn't open their pockets enough to have elite facilities, recruiting budget, etc., but I think he was able to convince them to do so once he won that national title. Not sure if that is an issue anymore or not.

When you get down to it, there really is no reason why they can't be really good again, and be good again pretty quickly. It's an easier rebuild than a place like Tennessee.
 
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05_never_again said:
When you get down to it, there really is no reason why they can't be really good again, and be good again pretty quickly. It's an easier rebuild than a place like Tennessee.
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Not really. Tennessee plays in the SEC, makes more money, has better facilities, etc. And Taggart inherited similar issues as Pruitt did.

People also are still ignoring how much the NCAA's scholarship / recruiting limits are making it much more difficult to turn programs around quickly. We're going to see much fewer 2nd year turnarounds in the future with the current rules.

The only real advantage for Florida State is that they play in a much easier conference. Getting that program back above middle-of-the-road ACC programs like Syracuse, Boston College, and Wake Forest is a lot easier than getting it above middle-of-the-road SEC programs like South Carolina, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss State, etc.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Not really. Tennessee plays in the SEC, makes more money, has better facilities, etc. And Taggart inherited similar issues as Pruitt did.

People also are still ignoring how much the NCAA's scholarship / recruiting limits are making it much more difficult to turn programs around quickly. We're going to see much fewer 2nd year turnarounds in the future with the current rules.

The only real advantage for Florida State is that they play in a much easier conference. Getting that program back above middle-of-the-road ACC programs like Syracuse, Boston College, and Wake Forest is a lot easier than getting it above middle-of-the-road SEC programs like South Carolina, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss State, etc.
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Playing in the SEC makes it more difficult for Tennessee to turn around, IMO. Tennessee makes more money and has better facilities than FSU, but we aren't directly competing against FSU. Our rivals make more money and have better facilities than FSU does too. I don't think scholarship limits necessarily make it any more difficult to turn around because those apply to everybody, not just rebuilding programs.

FSU has a great brand, tradition, and isn't far removed at all from a highly successful period. Tennessee has a lot of tradition, but the brand isn't what it used to be nationally because we are so far removed from a highly successful period. FSU will need to find a really good recruiter who is capable of at least holding their own on the recruiting trail against the in-state rivals.
 
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05_never_again said:
lol - I'm not sure what reason #1 would have to do with it at this point.

I think the expectations would be, after somewhat of a rebuilding period, to compete with Clemson and Florida and be better than Miami. Just a couple years ago, they were doing that. Hell, they were much better than all of those programs just 5 or so years ago. People are such prisoners of the moment - they think whatever condition exists at the moment is destined to persist forever. It's a favorite pastime of CFB fans to point to a historically good program who is down and tell them that they'll never be good again.

A beef Jimbo had with the admin/boosters while he was there was that they wouldn't open their pockets enough to have elite facilities, recruiting budget, etc., but I think he was able to convince them to do so once he won that national title. Not sure if that is an issue anymore or not.

When you get down to it, there really is no reason why they can't be really good again, and be good again pretty quickly. It's an easier rebuild than a place like Tennessee.
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#1 ceased to be relevant by 1979-1980
 
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I don't know if it has been mentioned or not, but Coach Pruitt won a National Championship there as DC and has head coaching experience in the SEC........
 
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MR_VOL said:
I don't know if it has been mentioned or not, but Coach Pruitt won a National Championship there as DC and has head coaching experience in the SEC........
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Fortunately he's proven nothing here yet, making him not an attractive candidate at the moment.

Personally I'd like to see Leach get it. Always curious how he'd perform in a fishbowl-type job.
 
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MR_VOL said:
I don't know if it has been mentioned or not, but Coach Pruitt won a National Championship there as DC and has head coaching experience in the SEC........
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I think his wife gave him a "get out of tallahassee" or else ultimamatum when he was there. At least that has been a persistent if unfounded rumor. So he may not take it for "family" reasons.
 
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LouderVol said:
I think his wife gave him a "get out of tallahassee" or else ultimamatum when he was there. At least that has been a persistent if unfounded rumor. So he may not take it for "family" reasons.
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Even if the rumors are false, everybody believes them and they can't go back (not that I think FSU would offer him). My buddy works high up in admin in the business dept. at FSU and he was the one that told me about the Pruitt rumors like they are fact.
 
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