Take What They Give You?

[Hexad Vol]

I'm tied of people saying our offense takes what the other team gives it as if our opponents dictate how we play. What we really do if attack them where they are weak and run what we want.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

I'm tied of people saying our offense takes what the other team gives it as if our opponents dictate how we play. What we really do if attack them where they are weak and run what we want.

take what the defense gives == attack where they are weak

They're synonyms, man, one just got sideways in your ear and is now bugging you. But they're synonyms.

Go Vols!

 

[Hexad Vol]

I realize they are synonymous, I just think attack gives a stronger vibe than take.

 

[TennesseeTarheel]

It's like complimentary football - when they congratulate each other on making a good play, right?

 

[Nerwen Aldarion]

Turnovers don’t happen in a vacuum, they don’t go “okay I’m going to turn the ball over now”

They happen because the defense causes it, whether punching the ball out, tipping it to catch or or even just overwhelming the QB so that he makes a mistake.

Turnovers don’t happen if the defense isn’t doing its job.

 

[TAF]

I'm tied of people saying our offense takes what the other team gives it as if our opponents dictate how we play. What we really do if attack them where they are weak and run what we want.

Did you play football in your life?

There are offensive plays which either run or pass the ball in various ways.

There are Defensive plays AGAINST running or passing the ball.

Every play each side guesses what the other is going to line up to do.

Having the versatility to do MULTIPLE offensive plays is an ADVANTAGE. And when you see how the Defense is lined up...being able to change according to what you see in the Defense is ADVANTAGEOUS.

Offense = Proactive
Defense = Reactive

Offense has the ball...and the advantage of being PROACTIVE...

 

[Rocky Top T]

I'm tied of people saying our offense takes what the other team gives it as if our opponents dictate how we play. What we really do if attack them where they are weak and run what we want.

That's exactly what happens, that's why the team looks over to the side line quite a bit

 

[WoodsmanVol]

I'm tied of people saying our offense takes what the other team gives it as if our opponents dictate how we play. What we really do if attack them where they are weak and run what we want.

Deport Nico, and install Moore, Damron, or Merklinger. How dare Nico to sully the Vols as opportunistic instead of being plunderers in the Nordic manne, how dare he! Fire him!! And here's proof of his Hexadic sin. <---> Dayum traitor!!

 

[WillisWG]

Turnovers don’t happen in a vacuum, they don’t go “okay I’m going to turn the ball over now”

They happen because the defense causes it, whether punching the ball out, tipping it to catch or or even just overwhelming the QB so that he makes a mistake.

Turnovers don’t happen if the defense isn’t doing its job.

Bubble buster unforced turnovers happen. See McCall's 3Q fumble @ 3:57 mark

 

[Hacksaw]

I'm tied of people saying our offense takes what the other team gives it as if our opponents dictate how we play. What we really do if attack them where they are weak and run what we want.

I get what you're saying. I also prefer the "we do what we want" mentality.

 

[Godfatha]

If you’re talking about NC State, they were selling out to stop the intermediate and long passes. Why not hit them with the run game and short passes? To do otherwise would have been dumb.

I mean the whole concept of offensive football is to read the defense and hit their weak points

 

[WillisWG]

If you’re talking about NC State, they were selling out to stop the intermediate and long passes. Why not hit them with the run game and short passes? To do otherwise would have been dumb.

I mean the whole concept of offensive football is to read the defense and hit their weak points

Good example is Nico's rushing TD, great read on the all out blitz, OL picks up their guys, pull guard get the block, Nico goes untouched into the ez

 

[TennesseeTarheel]

Sometimes they don't take what they give them - like when they have short yardage in the red zone and the defense lines up (shows a "look") that the offensive coach doesn't like. Then they take a time out to insert a different play. I'm wondering if we'll see less of that with headsets being introduced.

 

[sami]

I'm tied of people saying our offense takes what the other team gives it as if our opponents dictate how we play. What we really do if attack them where they are weak and run what we want.

At the end of the day it's the same damn thing either way. But if it makes you feel better, knock yourself out.

 

[BruisedOrange]

I'm tied of people saying our offense takes what the other team gives it as if our opponents dictate how we play. What we really do if attack them where they are weak and run what we want.

I think Peyton felt the same way you do, so he made up a code word* for "this is the play I want so we can attack 'em where they're weak."


*see: Omaha

 

[Golfprovol]

I'm tied of people saying our offense takes what the other team gives it as if our opponents dictate how we play. What we really do if attack them where they are weak and run what we want.

Fight the enemy where they are not

 

[Nerwen Aldarion]

Bubble buster unforced turnovers happen. See McCall's 3Q fumble @ 3:57 mark

You telling me the vast majority of turnovers have nothing to do with defense of you just picking and choosing?

 

[WillisWG]

You telling me the vast majority of turnovers have nothing to do with defense of you just picking and choosing?

First it's "Turnovers don’t happen if the defense isn’t doing its job." Now it's " the majority of turnovers don’t happen if the defense isn’t doing its job." Not quite same. Kinda sounds like you're doing the picking and choosing.

Based on what you first posted my comment "unforced turnovers happen" works.

 

[Nerwen Aldarion]

First it's "Turnovers don’t happen if the defense isn’t doing its job." Now it's " the majority of turnovers don’t happen if the defense isn’t doing its job." Not quite same. Kinda sounds like you're doing the picking and choosing.

Based on what you first posted my comment "unforced turnovers happen" works.

Nah it’s like people using rare genetic mutations to justify breaking societal norms.

I don’t believe Turnovers happen without the defense.

 

[Model12]

Coach N.B. Forrest said "Git thar firstest with the mostest" (paraphrased). How does that stack up?

He obviously coached in an era where that was not a penalty

 

[WillisWG]

Nah it’s like people using rare genetic mutations to justify breaking societal norms.

I don’t believe Turnovers happen without the defense.

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Believe what you want

 

[chuckiepoo]

I'm tied of people saying our offense takes what the other team gives it as if our opponents dictate how we play. What we really do if attack them where they are weak and run what we want.

….semantics.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Did you play football in your life?

There are offensive plays which either run or pass the ball in various ways.

There are Defensive plays AGAINST running or passing the ball.

Every play each side guesses what the other is going to line up to do.

Having the versatility to do MULTIPLE offensive plays is an ADVANTAGE. And when you see how the Defense is lined up...being able to change according to what you see in the Defense is ADVANTAGEOUS.

Offense = Proactive
Defense = Reactive

Offense has the ball...and the advantage of being PROACTIVE...

…and then you snap the ball.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Sometimes they don't take what they give them - like when they have short yardage in the red zone and the defense lines up (shows a "look") that the offensive coach doesn't like. Then they take a time out to insert a different play. I'm wondering if we'll see less of that with headsets being introduced.

Not so far. Prolly holding that as a sleeve pocket ace.

 

[Volfan1000]

Nico and Heupel will get some whenever they want to.