Taking Responsibility Is The Highest Mark Of Great Leaders

[Decker Moss]

It astounds me that there are those who will defend Holly no matter what, but don't think anything of throwing 19 and 20 year old girls under the bus. If a player is not doing what she is suppose to, it is up to the coach to fix it. Who recruited these players who some say are not that good? Who is responsible for developing these young ladies into college level players?

When your coaches offense is telling you just to drive to the basket, what confidence does that give you. If a leader takes troops into battle and has no idea what he/she is doing, the soldiers will be in disarray and each try to win the war in their own way. I don't see a bunch of selfish ball hogs out there, I see players trying to win without an idea of how to do it. Whether you think they should already know that or not is irrelevant, it is up to the coaches to make sure they do.

I will "Roll with Holly" as soon as she comes out and acts like the leader she is suppose to be and take responsibility for this mess. "I don't coach effort" has to be one of the weakest statements I've ever heard. So if they are not putting forth the effort you just give up. How about. "I will not accept anything less than your full effort.

Yes this is almost a carbon copy of my post in a different thread but I just can't believe what I am reading. We say something negative about Holly and we are not real lady vol fans. But you can badmouth the majority of our players. And you are the true fans who love the lady Vols. Blast me all you want. Holly Warlick is s grown woman who should have known what it takes to lead the Lady Vols. Those kids are college athletes who thought they were going to go to a great basketball school with coaches who could train and develop them into national champions. Looks like they were fooled, right along with many of us.

The fans deserve better and these girls deserve so much better.

If you personally know Holly please forward her this article, maybe it will help.

Forbes Welcome

 

[Jax_Vol]

Cue up the Mike Gundy video...

 

[Toujours Pret]

It astounds me that there are those who will defend Holly no matter what, but don't think anything of throwing 19 and 20 year old girls under the bus. If a player is not doing what she is suppose to, it is up to the coach to fix it. Who recruited these players who some say are not that good? Who is responsible for developing these young ladies into college level players?

When your coaches offense is telling you just to drive to the basket, what confidence does that give you. If a leader takes troops into battle and has no idea what he/she is doing, the soldiers will be in disarray and each try to win the war in their own way. I don't see a bunch of selfish ball hogs out there, I see players trying to win without an idea of how to do it. Whether you think they should already now that or not is irrelevant, it is up to the coaches to make sure they do.

I will "Roll with Holly" as soon as she comes out and acts like the leader she is suppose to be and take responsibility for this mess. "I don't coach effort" has to be one of the weakest statements I've ever heard. So if they are not putting forth the effort you just give up. How about. "I will not accept anything less than your full effort.

Yes this is almost a carbon copy of my post in a different thread but I just can't believe what I am reading. We say something negative about Holly and we are not real lady vol fans. But you can badmouth the majority of our players. And you are the true fans who love the lady Vols. Blast me all you want. Holly Warlick is s grown woman who should have known what it takes to lead the Lady Vols. Those kids are college athletes who thought they were going to go to a great basketball school with coaches who could train and develop them into national champions. Looks like they were fooled, right along with many of us.

The fans deserve better and these girls deserve so much better.

If you personally know Holly please forward her this article, maybe it will help.

Forbes Welcome

Soon

 

[governmentmule]

well the players have to hit some damn shots,it isn't like they haven't been getting a lot of good shots to take,but they are playing better,now if they can play with some intensity and make some of them open shots consistently ,we will all be happy with there play

 

[gule]

$650,000 dollars a year for what?

 

[Rickster]

well the players have to hit some damn shots,it isn't like they haven't been getting a lot of good shots to take,but they are playing better,now if they can play with some intensity and make some of them open shots consistently ,we will all be happy with there play

I agree with you that the majority of those outside shots are wide open so its not like the offense is not generating open looks. The lack of confidence in shooting and the forcing of passes into triple teams are major obstacles right now. In this offense, it will be very tough on them if they are unable to shoot 20 footers.

 

[Amb3096]

I agree with you that the majority of those outside shots are wide open so its not like the offense is not generating open looks. The lack of confidence in shooting and the forcing of passes into triple teams are major obstacles right now. In this offense, it will be very tough on them if they are unable to shoot 20 footers.

So the question becomes, "What is Holly doing to get them to improve their outside shooting?"

I'm not on the "Fahr Holly!" bandwagon (yet), but I found her complaining about the volume of three point shots without recognition that the majority were wide open to be disturbing...

 

[armchair]

Warlick is a terrible coach. I'm sorry to say it, I wish it weren't true for the sake of the program, but she is....

 

[Rickster]

So the question becomes, "What is Holly doing to get them to improve their outside shooting?"

I'm not on the "Fahr Holly!" bandwagon (yet), but I found her complaining about the volume of three point shots without recognition that the majority were wide open to be disturbing...

I don't know what she is doing to improve the offense and I doubt anyone who posts here does either unless they are at practices. I expect some are looking at the end product and making assumptions. Hey, I will be the first one to admit that they are not playing well right now and have not been the team of old for a while now. There are many who post here who believe it is all coaching but without any first hand knowledge of what happens during practice and what instructions are given to the team during the game, I won't assume to know the specific reasons they are playing poorly. I choose to support the team and hope they work it out.

 

[Linda Lee]

A great post Decker. You said all. I am with you all the way. These are young girls and want to learn and go to the next level. They should never be thrown under the bus!

I do not believe these girls do not want to win. They all played on AAU and high school teams and I know they were coached to win!

Holly please stop the bleeding or step away. Please give these young athletes a chance. They do not know how to win because Holly does not coach them to win!

Thank you so much for the thread.

 

[T.J.]

If I were to pass Holly Warlick on the street I would turn around stop her and say please take a minute out your day to let me read you this note from Decker Moss.

Bravo! Great post no truer words have been posted.
Thank you!

It astounds me that there are those who will defend Holly no matter what, but don't think anything of throwing 19 and 20 year old girls under the bus. If a player is not doing what she is suppose to, it is up to the coach to fix it. Who recruited these players who some say are not that good? Who is responsible for developing these young ladies into college level players?

When your coaches offense is telling you just to drive to the basket, what confidence does that give you. If a leader takes troops into battle and has no idea what he/she is doing, the soldiers will be in disarray and each try to win the war in their own way. I don't see a bunch of selfish ball hogs out there, I see players trying to win without an idea of how to do it. Whether you think they should already know that or not is irrelevant, it is up to the coaches to make sure they do.

I will "Roll with Holly" as soon as she comes out and acts like the leader she is suppose to be and take responsibility for this mess. "I don't coach effort" has to be one of the weakest statements I've ever heard. So if they are not putting forth the effort you just give up. How about. "I will not accept anything less than your full effort.

Yes this is almost a carbon copy of my post in a different thread but I just can't believe what I am reading. We say something negative about Holly and we are not real lady vol fans. But you can badmouth the majority of our players. And you are the true fans who love the lady Vols. Blast me all you want. Holly Warlick is s grown woman who should have known what it takes to lead the Lady Vols. Those kids are college athletes who thought they were going to go to a great basketball school with coaches who could train and develop them into national champions. Looks like they were fooled, right along with many of us.

The fans deserve better and these girls deserve so much better.

If you personally know Holly please forward her this article, maybe it will help.

Forbes Welcome

 

[PRG]

Just finished a book given as Christmas present and it made me want to post on this site. SPORT IS LIFE by Joan Cronan. "Employees are often promoted because of their technical skills, but in reality people skills become their stumbling block. We need to spend as much time working on leadership and personal effectiveness skills as we do working on technical skills.
I think head coaches have a responsibility to their assistants to emphasize their accountability in this area--in leadership and interpersonal skills. We often see coaches who are outstanding assistant coaches, but when they are promoted just one chair down to the head coaching position, they fail. It is only 18 inches, but it is a long way. They do not fail because of their understanding of the game: they fail because they lack leadership and interpersonal skills.

 

[LVJeff]

Just finished a book given as Christmas present and it made me want to post on this site. SPORT IS LIFE by Joan Cronan. "Employees are often promoted because of their technical skills, but in reality people skills become their stumbling block. We need to spend as much time working on leadership and personal effectiveness skills as we do working on technical skills.
I think head coaches have a responsibility to their assistants to emphasize their accountability in this area--in leadership and interpersonal skills. We often see coaches who are outstanding assistant coaches, but when they are promoted just one chair down to the head coaching position, they fail. It is only 18 inches, but it is a long way. They do not fail because of their understanding of the game: they fail because they lack leadership and interpersonal skills.

Well, okay, I guess. Effective leaders need to be good communicators and should inspire and empower their employees. But that's about as far as I'll go with the interpersonal skills stuff (look up Vince Lombardi and see how many people thought he had great interpersonal skills and correlate that with his success). People skills and interpersonal skills too often become the be-all and end-all of the workplace while the technical aspects suffer.

I worked a lifetime in engineering. In the first half of my career, the emphasis was on the engineering. In the second half of my career, the companies I worked for were taken over by management that emphasised the Human Resource approach. Employees were required to take annual courses in various interpersonal skills classes.

The engineering went to pot. All of the companies either folded or were absorbed by larger companies that had larger Human Resource staffs that scheduled more interpersonal skills classes.

Rant over. Back to LV basketball. From my POV, if Holly Warlick is lacking anything, it is an inability to install and run an effective offense. There may be a communications or interpersonal skills component to this failure. But there also seems to be a technical component to it.

 

[PRG]

I just thought the correlation of assistant coaches and moving 18 inches to the head coach chair was pertinent.
And the book coming out 2015? Is she (Joan) just making a point from the books perspective or someone in general?

I learned the strengths and weaknesses of zone defenses 50 years ago in high school. It is obvious that the Lady Vols are not being taught these basic principals. Basketball is a game of triangles and the passing angles can be improved by changing the angles or degrees of the triangles to improve passing and penetration of the zone. These principals are non existent also. We definitely need a teacher of Basketball principals and we usually call this person a coach!

 

[LVJeff]

I just thought the correlation of assistant coaches and moving 18 inches to the head coach chair was pertinent.
And the book coming out 2015? Is she (Joan) just making a point from the books perspective or someone in general?

I learned the strengths and weaknesses of zone defenses 50 years ago in high school. It is obvious that the Lady Vols are not being taught these basic principals. Basketball is a game of triangles and the passing angles can be improved by changing the angles or degrees of the triangles to improve passing and penetration of the zone. These principals are non existent also. We definitely need a teacher of Basketball principals and we usually call this person a coach!

No disagreement.

 

[Amb3096]

I just thought the correlation of assistant coaches and moving 18 inches to the head coach chair was pertinent.
And the book coming out 2015? Is she (Joan) just making a point from the books perspective or someone in general?

I learned the strengths and weaknesses of zone defenses 50 years ago in high school. It is obvious that the Lady Vols are not being taught these basic principals. Basketball is a game of triangles and the passing angles can be improved by changing the angles or degrees of the triangles to improve passing and penetration of the zone. These principals are non existent also. We definitely need a teacher of Basketball principals and we usually call this person a coach!

I thought player movement was excellent today...much better than the other times that times have played zone against them. Maybe they've caught on? It helps that they made some jump shots today.

 

[teacherdean]

I don't know what she is doing to improve the offense and I doubt anyone who posts here does either unless they are at practices. I expect some are looking at the end product and making assumptions. Hey, I will be the first one to admit that they are not playing well right now and have not been the team of old for a while now. There are many who post here who believe it is all coaching but without any first hand knowledge of what happens during practice and what instructions are given to the team during the game, I won't assume to know the specific reasons they are playing poorly. I choose to support the team and hope they work it out.

This is not the team of old because the landscape of Women's basketball has changed since the Lady Vol's glory days. A team cannot live by a one dimensional offense. We are way too committed to the throw it inside offense. Most high schools players play a multiple facet offense. We are too inconsistent from the inside and outside. We need to take advantage of the players we have.

Holly needs to stay on Russell until she play with a little more toughness. For the Lady Vols to be a success, Russell has to take advantage of her height. Throw it high and against most coverage it should be a turn and shoot without bringing the ball down. Now I don't mean a weak turn and shoot but a tough turn. Russell would draw more fouls and keep a lot of post in foul trouble. Our players like to thread the ball waist high in tight coverage. Take advantage of your height.

Graves needs to be more selfish and shoot the mid range and short jumper. She passes way too many shoots trying to throw the ball inside. If she shot a lot of the shots she is passing up, teams could not simply double Russell and allow Graves to take shots. This should give Russell a few more one on one situation.

We also should shoot more mid and short range shots off pick plays, especially with Diamond. We need to dribble drive more. If we do not have a shot feed it off. I have seen Carter be effective on the dribble drive as well as Diamond.

We need a lot of improvement on lay ups and have the players too scared to shot jumpers because they have to throw it inside. It just seems like all Holly preaches is throw it inside. When the inside is covered we usually try to throw the ball into coverage creating turnovers.

 

[PRG]

Zone defenses are designed to stop dribble drive penetration. This is the defense we will see until they learn to beat it. Because Auburn trapped and we were able to pass over and penetrate the zone, allowed us to get closer to the basket. Even Middleton (with her stature) was able to flash in the middle to get a 10 ft. shot. We have yet to screen/pick a zone defense? (no offense schemes) Just passing? Can you imagine if we screened for DD and got her inside of a zone! The zone defense goes to HECK when you get on the inside of it. Anyone who moves toward the offensive player is leaving their assigned area unprotected! Easy shots or passes...even to Russell. Until I see this basic basketball principal used--- I do not believe there is much coaching going on??

 

[madtownvol]

This is not the team of old because the landscape of Women's basketball has changed since the Lady Vol's glory days. A team cannot live by a one dimensional offense. We are way too committed to the throw it inside offense. Most high schools players play a multiple facet offense. We are too inconsistent from the inside and outside. We need to take advantage of the players we have.

Holly needs to stay on Russell until she play with a little more toughness. For the Lady Vols to be a success, Russell has to take advantage of her height. Throw it high and against most coverage it should be a turn and shoot without bringing the ball down. Now I don't mean a weak turn and shoot but a tough turn. Russell would draw more fouls and keep a lot of post in foul trouble. Our players like to thread the ball waist high in tight coverage. Take advantage of your height.

Graves needs to be more selfish and shoot the mid range and short jumper. She passes way too many shoots trying to throw the ball inside. If she shot a lot of the shots she is passing up, teams could not simply double Russell and allow Graves to take shots. This should give Russell a few more one on one situation.

We also should shoot more mid and short range shots off pick plays, especially with Diamond. We need to dribble drive more. If we do not have a shot feed it off. I have seen Carter be effective on the dribble drive as well as Diamond.

We need a lot of improvement on lay ups and have the players too scared to shot jumpers because they have to throw it inside. It just seems like all Holly preaches is throw it inside. When the inside is covered we usually try to throw the ball into coverage creating turnovers.

Well against, Auburn, the LVs pretty much did all those things. But, the caveat is that Auburn was undersized and did not play that well on the defense end. In the half court, they did not guard the LVs tightly, which gave our guards more room and time. And Russell can generally look pretty good when matched up against undersized posts. And in the second half, Auburn left Graves wide open for 10 ft. shots (which she knocked down unlike Fl.).

I think the the 29% shooting against Florida was an aberration as was the 60% against Auburn. But hitting that high of a % disrupted Auburn's offense, because they (like the LVs on many nights) rely on transition baskets.

 

[Rickster]

I think the the 29% shooting against Florida was an aberration as was the 60% against Auburn. But hitting that high of a % disrupted Auburn's offense, because they (like the LVs on many nights) rely on transition baskets.

What do you think their real shooting percentage should be given what we have seen this year (to date)?

 

[Amb3096]

Well against, Auburn, the LVs pretty much did all those things. But, the caveat is that Auburn was undersized and did not play that well on the defense end. In the half court, they did not guard the LVs tightly, which gave our guards more room and time. And Russell can generally look pretty good when matched up against undersized posts. And in the second half, Auburn left Graves wide open for 10 ft. shots (which she knocked down unlike Fl.).

I think the the 29% shooting against Florida was an aberration as was the 60% against Auburn. But hitting that high of a % disrupted Auburn's offense, because they (like the LVs on many nights) rely on transition baskets.

Auburn has decent size...6'3 Tanner and 6'2 for the other post. Tanner is as good as a post as Tennessee will play in the SEC not named Coates or Wilson.

They attacked the zone, which I think is what helped them get some easy looks. They need to bottle that gameplan and remember it everytime a team tries to zone them.

 

[Amb3096]

What do you think their real shooting percentage should be given what we have seen this year (to date)?

Probably right around their average of 42%. Helped by Graves and Russell's efficiency and offset by number of misses from Diamond, Cooper and Nared on any given night. I think DeShield's 64% was the true aberration.

 

[Ladyvolfan4ever]

Probably right around their average of 42%. Helped by Graves and Russell's efficiency and offset by number of misses from Diamond, Cooper and Nared on any given night. I think DeShield's 64% was the true aberration.

Are you a Tn fan or a Uconn fan? You only have good things to say a out UCONN and bash Tn

 

[Amb3096]

Are you a Tn fan or a Uconn fan? You only have good things to say a out UCONN and bash Tn

It's not hard to find good things to say about UConn. They are the gold standard of WCBB at the moment.

I don't see how stating the obvious...that Diamond isn't going to hit 64% of her shots every game...is "bashing".

I've stated the obvious in my posts: Tennessee's offense, particularly their outside shooting, needs to improve if they are to sniff the FF. They have a lot of players that should be more consistent from mid-range, but are not. If they don't consistently hit open jumpers, they will not go far in the tournament if teams close off the paint.

 

[madtownvol]

Auburn has decent size...6'3 Tanner and 6'2 for the other post. Tanner is as good as a post as Tennessee will play in the SEC not named Coates or Wilson.

They attacked the zone, which I think is what helped them get some easy looks. They need to bottle that gameplan and remember it everytime a team tries to zone them.

Their two 6'2 players (Jones and Jones, both freshman) played 20 and 7 minutes respectively. For most of the game, Auburn had 4 smaller players + Tanner on the floor.