Tapes confirms, Reggie Bush in trouble.

#2
#2
I am of the inclination that unless something on those tapes indicates that Carroll or his staff knew about this, then nothing will happen to USC. I also doubt that the Heisman will be taken away from Bush.

My final thought on the subject: since this investigation will fully develop around mid March, the average sports fan will not even notice.
 
#3
#3
I hope the NCAA comes down hard on USC, Bama style!

Probably just wishful thinking though...
 
#5
#5
This is big story whether it takes two months or a year. Carroll and staff will probably not be penalized directly and should be if there was not involvement. But if Bush is found guilty he will more then likely be found ineligeable during the years they won the championships. This is where the coaches and the school will get hit with disqualifications due to Bush. Wait and see game now.
 
#7
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Right now Bush is in trouble. If found guilty he'd be ineligeable. If found ineligeable games would be forfeited and thus possible rings and titles. If so, then USC is effected through Bush's actions.
 
#8
#8
Lesson, never ever piss off people that you said you were going to make lots of money for.
 
#9
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The NCAA typically distinguishes between agent and booster with the latter being more serious. If they believe anyone with ties to the university was involved (includes boosters) then they come down harder.

If it's agent only, then the most severe penalties will be ruling RB ineligible, possible game forfeitures and maybe a vacated national championship.

Auburn are you listening? That 2004 championship might be back in play...
 
#11
#11
So what do they do with the Heisman?? Does VY get it? If they try to give it to him, would he take it??


Im not a Bush fan, but this is kinda shocking to me. He seems to have a level head.
 
#12
#12
Reggie Bush isn't the only problem out in the open ...

The following is a list of off the field incidents that have occurred since Pete Carroll became the head coach at the University of Southern California.

Pete Carroll was hired by USC in 2001.

On August 23, 2001, the NCAA placed USC's athletic department on probation for two years and cut scholarships because tutors wrote papers for three athletes in the late 1990s. The events leading to the probation were before Carroll's time, but I include this for completeness sake.

In 2002, the father of USC tailback Justin Fargas invited former USC Heisman Trophy winner, and alleged double-murderer, O. J. Simpson to a team practice (he was found not guilty in his criminal trial but was later found liable in a civil trial). After the practice, Carroll allowed Simpson to come onto the field and meet the players and pose for pictures. Carroll defends himself from criticism by claiming that Simpson wasn't invited.

On July 19, 2003, USC Sophomore OT Winston Justice pleaded no contest to solicitation of a prostitute in Long Beach on June 24. Winston was put on 3 years probation and fined $300 for the offense.

On March 3, 2004, Winston Justice was arrested on suspicion of felony assault with a deadly weapon. On June 15, 2004, Justice pleaded no contest to exhibition of a replica firearm. Justice was sentenced to 60 days of electronic monitoring and three years' probation. Justice was also suspended for two semesters by USC's student affairs committee after his arrest.

In August 2004, USC starting tailback Hershel Dennis was at the center of a police investigation of an alleged sexual assault. According to sources, the incident took place at a party on August 16, and involved a female friend of Dennis. On August 17, Dennis was removed from practice and suspended by Carroll for "disciplinary reasons," including breaking curfew. On December 13, 2004, the LAPD announced it would not press charges.

In late March 2005, USC starting cornerback Eric Wright was arrested for investigation of sexual assault. Wright was booked on rape charges and bail was set at $100,000 according to the Sheriff's Department. Wright was held out of spring practice, and, in April 2005, the district attorney declined to press charged because of insufficient evidence. Nevertheless, on June 2, 2005, Wright left USC amid possible disciplinary action. On August 25, Wright was suspended by three semesters by USC's student affairs committee, based upon the district attorney's office having found 136 pills of the drug Ecstasy in Wright's room at an apartment he shared with another player.

In early April 2005, USC tight end Dominique Bird fractured his jaw during an alleged altercation with receiver Steve Smith. Bird, Smith and Carroll reportedly refused to comment on the incident, and no disciplinary action was taken.

In August 2005, USC defensive end Frostee Rucker allegedly got into a fight with his girlfriend at a party he was hosting in Los Angeles. In June 2006, Rucker was charged with two misdemeanor counts of spousal battery and two counts of vandalism and was scheduled to be arraigned on July 13, 2006. Prior to transferring to USC, in April of 2002, Rucker was charged in Colorado with sexual assault and indecent exposure. Rucker reportedly eventually accepted a one-year deferred sentence on a misdemeanor harassment charge. Developing.

On August 13, 2005, 10 veteran USC players were involved in a hazing incident where they shaved the head of freshman quarterback Mark Sanchez. Also, what started out as a water fight between USC players, escalated into an all-out brawl as it spiraled out of control. Reportedly, there was significant damage to the players dorms as players were thrown through walls.

On October 31, 2005, USC tailback LenDale White plays a macabre prank by pretending to quit the team and throwing a dummy off a building on Child's Way. Separately, Pete Carroll apologized to Washington State coach Bill Doba for USC players pushing and bumping Doba while trying to get to the locker room during halftime of their game.

On November 2, 2005, USC linebacker Rey Maualuga was arrested for investigation of misdemeanor battery after punching a man at an off-campus Halloween party (twice, without provocation). A witness at the scene reportedly quoted Maualuga as stating "I own the police." Carroll took no disciplinary action, and Maualuga played the following weekend against Stanford. One USC pundit observed at the time that "discipline is Coach Carroll's number one weakness." On November 22, 2005, the city attorney's office declined to file charges. Maualuga was defended at the court hearing by controversial and well-connected USC alumni attorney Carmen "Nooch" Trutanich, who has a long history with USC and previously represented both Wright and Dennis.

On December 21, 2005, USC starting quarterback Matt Leinart had his eligibility temporarily revoked after appearing in a promotional segment on ESPN earlier that month, a violation of an NCAA rule. Leinart was reinstated shortly thereafter. One observer claims the NCAA was just concerned about money.

On January 1, 2006, reporters from the Fort Worth Star-Telegram and CBS Sportline reportedly told the USC football team about potential recruiting violations stemming from visits by USC recruits to Papadakis Taverna, a Greek restaurant owned by former USC linebacker John Papadakis.

On January 21, 2006, USC quarterback Matt Leinart was cited by the Pac-10 for working out with his own coach using school facilities. According to the NCAA, a student athlete cannot utilize the school's facilities to work out with a coach, unless the coach is affiliated with the university.

On April 21, 2006, the family of USC running back Reggie Bush was implicated by numerous separate media reports as having lived in a house purchased by a San Diego-area man with ties to a sports agent and a tribal casino. Both the Pac-10 and the NCAA have launched an investigation into potential NCAA violations in connnection with this matter, which is pending. More recent reports in this fast evolving story are here, here, and here. Developing.

On April 26, 2006, USC quarterback Mark Sanchez was arrested for investigation of sexually assaulting a female student earlier that same day. Sanchez was released upon posting $200,000 bail, and has been ordered to appear in court on May 17, 2006. Sanchez was also placed on "interim suspension" by USC while the case is pending. On June 2, 2006, the LA District Attorney announced that it would not be bring charges against Sanchez due to insufficient evidence.

On April 30, 2006, it was reported that USC compliance officials were investigating whether an NCAA rule was violated because receiver Dwayne Jarrett failed to pay approximately $10,000 for his half of the rent for an upscale apartment he shared with former quarterback Matt Leinart. USC claims that no rules were violated, though it has been reported that Jarret may have to sit out a portion of next season.

In August of 2006, Brandon Ting quits the USC football team after testing postive for Steroid use. His twin brother, also on the USC football team, was never tested.

On December 4th, 2006 Dominque Byrd was arrested for stabbing an individual with the glass of a broken beer bottle. He was released shortly after posting bail. This case is developing.
Taken from Scott Wolf's USC blog: Scott Wolf inside USC
 
#14
#14
isn't there a video of the Lendale White one? I thought that there was...maybe someone knows?
 
#15
#15
hohenfelsvol said:
This is big story whether it takes two months or a year. Carroll and staff will probably not be penalized directly and should be if there was not involvement. But if Bush is found guilty he will more then likely be found ineligeable during the years they won the championships. This is where the coaches and the school will get hit with disqualifications due to Bush. Wait and see game now.
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I still don't think that's the right thing to do... If USC had no knowledge of what happened, they should not be penalized through forfeiture, vacated national championships, etc.

checkerboard_charly said:
So what do they do with the Heisman?? Does VY get it? If they try to give it to him, would he take it??


Im not a Bush fan, but this is kinda shocking to me. He seems to have a level head.
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I think the Heisman is entirely up to the Downtown Athletic Club.

Also, guys, remember who exactly is on the other side of this deal. The guy accusing Bush and the Griffins recently got out of prison on drug charges, and is currently under federal investigation for extortion. Perhaps there may be some credibility issues here? What we all need to do is calm down, avoid pegging Bush and his family too hard just yet, until the whole story is revealed. And currently there is not even suspicion of evidence linking USC to the benefits Bush received. Leave them out of it for now.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
Reggie Bush isn't the only problem out in the open ...

The following is a list of off the field incidents that have occurred since Pete Carroll became the head coach at the University of Southern California.
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Whatever. Give me the rap sheet for any other major program, it proves nothing.
 
#17
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milohimself said:
I still don't think that's the right thing to do... If USC had no knowledge of what happened, they should not be penalized through forfeiture, vacated national championships, etc.
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Although, if this is typically how the NCAA penalizes schools for using ineligible players - it would be unfair for them to make an exception for USC.
 
#18
#18
:lol:

It's funny watching milo get testy when anyone says a cross word about anything related to Southern California.
 
#19
#19
I believe it should apply to all schools. And just because other schools didn't get that in the past, doesn't mean it's right to keep doing it out of fairness for past programs. If a school has no proven knowledge of illegal benefits received by a player, the program should not be punished, plain and simple.
 
#20
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The problem (my guess why the NCAA operates the way it does) is that the schools have plausable deniability. Agents can provide benefits, schools can ignore it and say they were in no way involved and bingo.

Like it or not, all schools have to question where their star players get the cash, cars, apartments that they have. Turning the other way doesn't absolve the problem.
 
#21
#21
No. They can help keep it from happening, but it's also completely unrealistic to expect a school to control every aspect of a student-athlete's life.
 
#22
#22
Yet the NCAA does expect reasonable monitoring.

If the stories are true, we are talking about huge sums of money in cash and consideration (hundreds of thousands).

The football athletic staff probably has 20-30 people. There are a maximum of 85 scholarship players on the team. A guy like RB certainly stands out. I think it's reasonable for USC to pay extra attention to any signs his financial situation has changed.
 
#23
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I dunno... I'm not part of the program so I just prefer to withold judgement. It's equally possible that he was able to keep secret the financial happenings of his family down in San Diego, from those up in LA.

Normally I'd be suspicious, and I still am, but given who is on the other side of this case, I don't feel it is right to say one way or another. Like I said, the other party in this is being investigated for extortion. It's possible that's what this is... I acually believe that's what this is. That Bush and his family took money as an under the table "pre-signing" deal with the New Era agents, and this entire story would have never broke if he didn't back out. Bush made a poor decision in dealing with these people, but they are definitley not your run of the mill agents. My guess is that they got a hold of him, not the other way around.

Lots of gray area in this case.
 
#24
#24
All I have to say is that if this were an SEC Team - they would have been hung by now!!!!

Looking the other way doesn't absolve guilt.
 
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milohimself said:
I still don't think that's the right thing to do... If USC had no knowledge of what happened, they should not be penalized through forfeiture, vacated national championships, etc.
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That is exactly what was trying to write. Guess didn't get that across to well. I agree with your point.
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