Teaching Fired for a Tweet...

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idk, seems like something anyone would be fired for. Most employers are not going to tolerate you airing dirty laundry from work on social media.

"Ms. Tempel deliberately brought negative attention to the school district because she disagreed with the decision as opposed to following protocol and procedure and I believe that behavior is intolerable," he said."

just because you have a right to say it doesn't mean you are free from the consequences of your own statements. and I think its common practice to assume that employees of the government have a few more restrictions than the general public.
 
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LouderVol said:
idk, seems like something anyone would be fired for. Most employers are not going to tolerate you airing dirty laundry from work on social media.

"Ms. Tempel deliberately brought negative attention to the school district because she disagreed with the decision as opposed to following protocol and procedure and I believe that behavior is intolerable," he said."

just because you have a right to say it doesn't mean you are free from the consequences of your own statements. and I think its common practice to assume that employees of the government have a few more restrictions than the general public.
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She works for the government which makes this case different.
 
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Haven't read the story, yet. But I do know some teachers depending on school system sign a morality pledge ( basically to not do anything which can put the district in a bad light both personally and publicly). If she had those expectations communicated initially, she may not be getting paid.
 
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McDad said:
Haven't read the story, yet. But I do know some teachers depending on school system sign a morality pledge ( basically to not do anything which can put the district in a bad light both personally and publicly). If she had those expectations communicated initially, she may not be getting paid.
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I am not sure the government can restrict your free speech by such a document.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I am not sure the government can restrict your free speech by such a document.
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I am not sure, either. But that doesn't mean government agencies won't try. But let's be clear, here, we've (the forum) discussed free speech before and tend to agree you have freedom of speech but that doesn't mean you have freedom from consequences.
I am not an expert on Wisconsin employment law. I have had a few clients in that state over the years and termination of employees is very easy and discretionary to the owner.
 
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McDad said:
Haven't read the story, yet. But I do know some teachers depending on school system sign a morality pledge ( basically to not do anything which can put the district in a bad light both personally and publicly). If she had those expectations communicated initially, she may not be getting paid.
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This exactly how it worked at the 2 govt entities that I worked at the last 15 years (thank God everyday that I'm longer in govt). We were constantly reminded by HR to be very careful and cautious of what we posted to any social media. If it could be connected in any way to or about the employer, you would receive whatever discipline they handed out, which included termination. I wasn't in education, although I assume it wouldn't be much, if any different than any other govt employee.
 
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LouderVol said:
and I think its common practice to assume that employees of the government have a few more restrictions than the general public.
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Are you saying Private employees have more protections than State employees? That seems backwards to me.
 
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Vol since 77 said:
This exactly how it worked at the 2 govt entities that I worked at the last 15 years (thank God everyday that I'm longer in govt). We were constantly reminded by HR to be very careful and cautious of what we posted to any social media. If it could be connected in any way to or about the employer, you would receive whatever discipline they handed out, which included termination. I wasn't in education, although I assume it wouldn't be much, if any different than any other govt employee.
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I am not saying that they cannot try to restrict free speech, it just may not fair well when scrutinized by the courts.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I am not saying that they cannot try to restrict free speech, it just may not fair well when scrutinized by the courts.
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Don't disagree and I don't know if Wisconsin is a "right to work" state. Here, they can fire you and not give a reason. I've known a couple of those over the years and they contacted numerous attorneys. The response they received was the same from each one. They told them "it's nearly impossible to win wrongful termination cases". She would've been better off moving on and finding another job imo (especially if she was notified more than once and still did it). Going public has now damaged her reputation and will make it difficult for her moving forward. I also doubt she'll receive enough to live without working the rest of her life even if she were to win the case. I don't really care either way, just speaking from my experience over the last 15 years working for municipalities.
 
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LouderVol said:
and I think its common practice to assume that employees of the government have a few more restrictions than the general public.
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85SugarVol said:
Are you saying Private employees have more protections than State employees? That seems backwards to me.
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here is an example of "more protections" (in a backwards sense) -- 3 young men chose the guidance and protection of God VS "protection" of the "State"

Daniel 3:
1King Nebuchadnezzar made a golden statuea sixty cubits high and six cubits wide,b and he set it up on the plain of Dura in the province of Babylon. 2Then King Nebuchadnezzar sent word to assemble the satraps, prefects, governors, advisers, treasurers, judges, magistrates, and all the other officials of the provinces to attend the dedication of the statue he had set up.

3So the satraps, prefects, governors, advisers, treasurers, judges, magistrates, and all the rulers of the provinces assembled for the dedication of the statue that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up, and they stood before it.

4Then the herald loudly proclaimed, “O people of every nation and language, this is what you are commanded: 5As soon as you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipes, and all kinds of music,c you must fall down and worship the golden statue that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up.

6And whoever does not fall down and worship will immediately be thrown into the blazing fiery furnace.”
 
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Daniel 3:
8At this time some astrologersd came forward and maliciously accused the Jews, 9saying to King Nebuchadnezzar,

12But there are some Jews you have appointed to manage the province of Babylon—Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego—who have ignored you, O king, and have refused to serve your gods or worship the golden statue you have set up.”

13Then Nebuchadnezzar, furious with rage, summoned Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. So these men were brought before the king, 14and Nebuchadnezzar said to them,
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I am not saying that they cannot try to restrict free speech, it just may not fair well when scrutinized by the courts.
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Her speech wasn’t restricted. The school didn’t force Twitter to take her post down. They simply fired her. She still has a right to speech. And the school still has a right to only employee who they wish.

What’s the issue?
 
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85SugarVol said:
But she’s not in the private sector. She’s an employee of the State.
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She’s an employee of the county (at least in most states I’ve worked, that’s how it works). But either way I’m not seeing what that changes.

Yes, you’re guaranteed free speech. No, you’re not guaranteed a job. What am I missing?
 
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