Tennessee has an Image problem

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orangegrass

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What do parents of recruits think when they think of Tennessee? On this board we can write that we don't care but each of us has a log in name and our identity is hidden. We can say anything we want no matter if it is true or false. We can insult, we can cu$$, we slander, we can use bad grammer, and we can get away with it. Nobody cares really what people think about us. We don't care what Florida or Kentucky thinks about us or the rest of the SEC! But we had better care what recruits think and what their parents or guardians think. Publicity is only good if it is good publicity. (Sorry Kiff!) The resent blog Chattanooga Times Free Press | Wiedmer: Hamilton must address Vols' image problems puts some things into perspective. Whether or not you agree with this blog is your business. You and I do not reveal our identitys. Tennessee's is well known and they can't hide behind and avatar. The young men who were arrested on Friday and the ones from the football team several months ago will long be forgotten. But Tennessee's name will still be out there and how people think about our programs does matter.
 
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orangegrass said:
What do parents of recruits think when they think of Tennessee? On this board we can write that we don't care but each of us has a log in name and our identity is hidden. We can say anything we want no matter if it is true or false. We can insult, we can cu$$, we slander, we can use bad grammer, and we can get away with it. Nobody care really what people think about us. We don't care what Florida or Kentucky thinks about us or the rest of the SEC! But we had better care what recruits think and what their parents or guardians think. Publicity is only good if it is good publicity. (Sorry Kiff!) The resent blog Chattanooga Times Free Press | Wiedmer: Hamilton must address Vols' image problems puts some things into perspective. Whether or not you agree with this blog is your business. You and I do not reveal our identitys. Tennessee's is well known and they can't hide behind and avatar. The young men who were arrested on Friday and the ones from the football team several months ago will long be forgotten. But Tennessee's name will still be out there and how people think about our programs does matter.
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New Vol Motto: "You can't spell ThUg without UT."
 
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If my kid was enrolling in a school. I would look at 2 things. 1)How bad is the area. Knoxville doesn't have a bad surrounding area unless you consider dollywood, the knoxville zoo, and cow tipping to be bad. 2)How do we deal with the issues. Nuke and Edwards are gone, and depending on what comes of the B-Ball situation i would expects some suspensions or worse for them. Those would be the 2 things i would look for as a parent....
 
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orangegrass said:
What do parents of recruits think when they think of Tennessee? On this board we can write that we don't care but each of us has a log in name and our identity is hidden. We can say anything we want no matter if it is true or false. We can insult, we can cu$$, we slander, we can use bad grammer, and we can get away with it. Nobody cares really what people think about us. We don't care what Florida or Kentucky thinks about us or the rest of the SEC! But we had better care what recruits think and what their parents or guardians think. Publicity is only good if it is good publicity. (Sorry Kiff!) The resent blog Chattanooga Times Free Press | Wiedmer: Hamilton must address Vols' image problems puts some things into perspective. Whether or not you agree with this blog is your business. You and I do not reveal our identitys. Tennessee's is well known and they can't hide behind and avatar. The young men who were arrested on Friday and the ones from the football team several months ago will long be forgotten. But Tennessee's name will still be out there and how people think about our programs does matter.
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Agreed. Those 27 arrests under Meyer have really hurt Florida. And don't get me started on their basketball program. How do they ever expect to win anything down there?

How about Bama. It is just one NCAA investigation after another. Saban won't last long down there there.
 
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UT obviously has and always had problems with marijuana. I ask if the UT administration, athletic department, and campus police are exhausting all available resources to minimize this problem. It's not going to completely go away but UT has a serious image problem now and must do something to correct this.
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
If my kid was enrolling in a school. I would look at 2 things. 1)How bad is the area. Knoxville doesn't have a bad surrounding area unless you consider dollywood, the knoxville zoo, and cow tipping to be bad. 2)How do we deal with the issues. Nuke and Edwards are gone, and depending on what comes of the B-Ball situation i would expects some suspensions or worse for them. Those would be the 2 things i would look for as a parent....
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Knoxville has a horrible area! It is right around Lonsdale. In the areas where welfare checks are given most in Knox County you have murders, abductions, rapes, shootings etc.

Ever heard of Hugh Christopher Newsom, Jr., and Channon Gail Christian?

If Knoxville lost about 1/20 of its housing it would lose more than half of its serious crime.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Knoxville has a horrible area! It is right around Lonsdale. In the areas where welfare checks are given most in Knox County you have murders, abductions, rapes, shootings etc.

Ever heard of Hugh Christopher Newsom, Jr., and Channon Gail Christian?

If Knoxville lost about 1/20 of its housing it would lose more than half of its serious crime.
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Somebody will be offended in 3....2....1.....
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Knoxville has a horrible area! It is right around Lonsdale. In the areas where welfare checks are given most in Knox County you have murders, abductions, rapes, shootings etc.

Ever heard of Hugh Christopher Newsom, Jr., and Channon Gail Christian?

If Knoxville lost about 1/20 of its housing it would lose more than half of its serious crime.
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Wow MHF. In the neighborhood I grew up in central Florida, there were over 60 homicides in a 10 year period, not the city, not the district, the neighborhood! Because I come from that subdivision, I'm automatically a thug? Everyone who comes from the projects, or low income housing is going to be a menace to society? For the record, my mother raised 4 kids by herself working 3 jobs and never accepted a welfare check.

Sorry, but we weren't all born with a silver spoon up our a$$.
 
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VolDad said:
Agreed. Those 27 arrests under Meyer have really hurt Florida. And don't get me started on their basketball program. How do they ever expect to win anything down there?

How about Bama. It is just one NCAA investigation after another. Saban won't last long down there there.
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I would like the OP to address the above post.

It wasn't too long ago that Bammer was bad, and had a bad image, and it sure didn't seem to affect THEM negatively.
 
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orangegrass said:
What do parents of recruits think when they think of Tennessee? On this board we can write that we don't care but each of us has a log in name and our identity is hidden. We can say anything we want no matter if it is true or false. We can insult, we can cu$$, we slander, we can use bad grammer, and we can get away with it. Nobody cares really what people think about us. We don't care what Florida or Kentucky thinks about us or the rest of the SEC! But we had better care what recruits think and what their parents or guardians think. Publicity is only good if it is good publicity. (Sorry Kiff!) The resent blog Chattanooga Times Free Press | Wiedmer: Hamilton must address Vols' image problems puts some things into perspective. Whether or not you agree with this blog is your business. You and I do not reveal our identitys. Tennessee's is well known and they can't hide behind and avatar. The young men who were arrested on Friday and the ones from the football team several months ago will long be forgotten. But Tennessee's name will still be out there and how people think about our programs does matter.
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Or spelling...(sorry, couldn't resist)...

Here is my take. 18-22 year old young men are basically immature and self indulgent. Those with athletic prowess are also convinced that they are invincible and have been worshipped as heroes at their high schools. Three, four, and five-star prospects have additional attention, media coverage, and adulation from the fans of their prospective colleges.

Some of them bring with them cultural disadvantages and have learned from an early age that they are entitled to whatever they want and can reach.

Put all of that together and drop them in an atmosphere where they are basically free to make any decisions they choose, and sometimes the results are not pretty.

Parents who are concerned about the character of the team that their son chooses will watch to see how the coach handles a bad situation when it happens.

The parents are more responsible for the way an individual kid turns out. The coach is responsible for what will or will not be tolerated after the fact.

If enough bad eggs are culled, then the culture of the team will continue to improve.

So far, CLK is doing fairly well. The jury now turns to CBP to see what path the basketball Vol program will follow.
 
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3 Rocky Top Cove said:
Or spelling...(sorry, couldn't resist)...

Here is my take. 18-22 year old young men are basically immature and self indulgent. Those with athletic prowess are also convinced that they are invincible and have been worshipped as heroes at their high schools. Three, four, and five-star prospects have additional attention, media coverage, and adulation from the fans of their prospective colleges.

Some of them bring with them cultural disadvantages and have learned from an early age that they are entitled to whatever they want and can reach.

Put all of that together and drop them in an atmosphere where they are basically free to make any decisions they choose, and sometimes the results are not pretty.

Parents who are concerned about the character of the team that their son chooses will watch to see how the coach handles a bad situation when it happens.

The parents are more responsible for the way an individual kid turns out. The coach is responsible for what will or will not be tolerated after the fact.

If enough bad eggs are culled, then the culture of the team will continue to improve.

So far, CLK is doing fairly well. The jury now turns to CBP to see what path the basketball Vol program will follow.
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Nice Post and well wrote:)
 
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volfromfla56 said:
Wow MHF. In the neighborhood I grew up in central Florida, there were over 60 homicides in a 10 year period, not the city, not the district, the neighborhood! Because I come from that subdivision, I'm automatically a thug? Everyone who comes from the projects, or low income housing is going to be a menace to society? For the record, my mother raised 4 kids by herself working 3 jobs and never accepted a welfare check.

Sorry, but we weren't all born with a silver spoon up our a$$.
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What are you talking about? I never said everyone in those neighborhoods is a thug, I just said that all of the crime in Knox County is concentrated in a small area. Your mom if she never accepted a welfare check would not be living in the housing I am talking about doing away with.

Most of the people I have known on welfare are rural not urban and white not black but knox county has a small area of people who cost everyone else a great deal of money and it coincides with almost all of the crime.
 
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orangegrass said:
What do parents of recruits think when they think of Tennessee? On this board we can write that we don't care but each of us has a log in name and our identity is hidden. We can say anything we want no matter if it is true or false. We can insult, we can cu$$, we slander, we can use bad grammer, and we can get away with it. Nobody cares really what people think about us. We don't care what Florida or Kentucky thinks about us or the rest of the SEC! But we had better care what recruits think and what their parents or guardians think. Publicity is only good if it is good publicity. (Sorry Kiff!) The resent blog Chattanooga Times Free Press | Wiedmer: Hamilton must address Vols' image problems puts some things into perspective. Whether or not you agree with this blog is your business. You and I do not reveal our identitys. Tennessee's is well known and they can't hide behind and avatar. The young men who were arrested on Friday and the ones from the football team several months ago will long be forgotten. But Tennessee's name will still be out there and how people think about our programs does matter.
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We have had an image problem for a number of years, and the last couple of months have only compounded the problem. Any one who denies that is either very naive or just doesn't want to face the facts.
 
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I'll worry about UT when we catch up to Felonious State or Alabama. As Vol fans it hits close to home and we shudder. If you think we are the only school with troubles you need to read the sports page or watch the news on tv. It sux but we ain't alone. Actually we are doing better than a lot of schools. Lots of misdemeanors but not rampant felonies or scandals. My username IS my name. I hide from no one or nothing!
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
What are you talking about? I never said everyone in those neighborhoods is a thug, I just said that all of the crime in Knox County is concentrated in a small area. Your mom if she never accepted a welfare check would not be living in the housing I am talking about doing away with.

Most of the people I have known on welfare are rural not urban and white not black but knox county has a small area of people who cost everyone else a great deal of money and it coincides with almost all of the crime.
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Sources? Links?
 
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DowntownVol said:
Sources? Links?
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He has none. Notice he didn't mention Vestal, but Lonsdale is the epicenter of all the crime in Knoxville. No seriously, every crime committed in Knox county is committed by people in low income housing.

I tell you what MHF, lets just nuke the poor neighborhoods because nothing good comes out of them right?
 
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My sister lived in Lonsdale for a long long time and the only thing I ever seen was a bunch of toothless crackheads gathering at the gas station. But the only people I know that carry guns (if not permit wise) is drug dealers. I wonder how much pot they had? Obviously if it was individualy bagged they'd be charged with intent to sale. Not sure.
 
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