Tennessee-Oklahoma recruiting comparison

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iBleedOrangeWhite

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I know we've suffered attrition and lost ju-cos but we have had a very neck and neck competition with OU over the last 5 years in recruiting. According to rivals dating back to 2010 here is how we stack up with them.

2010 UT-9 OU-7
2011 UT-13 OU-14
2012 UT -17 OU-11
2013 UT-21 OU-15
2014 UT-5 OU-15

That is an average of #13 for us and about #12(.4) for OU. That means from a talent level we should at least be on a relatively even playing field. Let's just hop CBJ can coach em up to make up for the other areas we are lacking(proven depth, experience, losing so many starters on both lines, etc.) Anyways, hadn't seen this discussed and just found it interesting how close in recruiting the two programs have been recently. Go Vols!
 
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We have not retained many of our recruits. Would be interesting to see a retention rating. My guess is OU has a major advantage.

They have more talent, but I'm hoping we have more fight and a better game plan.

GBO.
 
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I remember the iteration of this thread for Oregon last year.

That turned out well.

Look, I'm not saying that they're going to wipe the floor with us, but do you REALLY think that with as much attrition as we've had they don't have a talent advantage (at least on the lines, more specifically the O line)?
 
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iBleedOrangeWhite said:
I know we've suffered attrition and lost ju-cos but we have had a very neck and neck competition with OU over the last 5 years in recruiting. According to rivals dating back to 2010 here is how we stack up with them.

2010 UT-9 OU-7
2011 UT-13 OU-14
2012 UT -17 OU-11
2013 UT-21 OU-15
2014 UT-5 OU-15

That is an average of #13 for us and about #12(.4) for OU. That means from a talent level we should at least be on a relatively even playing field. Let's just hop CBJ can coach em up to make up for the other areas we are lacking(proven depth, experience, losing so many starters on both lines, etc.) Anyways, hadn't seen this discussed and just found it interesting how close in recruiting the two programs have been recently. Go Vols!
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That is a bad stat to judge talent strength and depth. We have lost a lot of those guys over the last few years, but they might have lost some as well. Also Predicting talent is like predicting game outcomes too. I think a few were wrong about the South Carolina game last week.
 
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Recruiting ratings are like grades after the nfl draft. If the picks don't pan out, they don't mean squat. Oklahoma has also had things we haven't had. Good coaching, stable qb's, big wins and a big 12 schedule.
 
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RxVol37055 said:
We have not retained many of our recruits. Would be interesting to see a retention rating. My guess is OU has a major advantage.

They have more talent, but I'm hoping we have more fight and a better game plan.

GBO.
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Spot on! The averages may be close, but you also got to factor in that Dooley left us very thin on lineman due to his lack of recruiting. This is the year it is really showing on the depth chart. Butch took over a mess and is correcting it much faster than I thought possible, but Oklahoma has a serious talent advantage. Now when they return to Neyland for the 2nd game of the home and home, it may be a completely different story. Win or lose, I just want our players to compete hard for the entire game, and play with the same passion I saw Sunday night. We are very young...how will they respond when faced with adversity?
 
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The thing about OU is they might not land some of the best classes but they have a good staff that knows how to coach their kids up once they get on campus. Butch and his staff look to be doing the same thing.
 
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Gotta also look at retention when looking at those recruiting classes. Having a top 10 class in 2009 doesn't mean squat when none of them are on your team now.

I'd say the biggest indicator is the 2012 recruiting class. OU easily had the advantage in that class and has the advantage with them being on the field during the game.

Butch has done an amazing job when it comes to recruiting in the past year or so. But don't forget that OU is a nationally recognized team that garners a lot of excitement with their program as well.

I'm one of the biggest Orange Kool-aid drinkers in the country, but I'm also realistic when it comes to our position in 2014.

Do we have a chance to upset Oklahoma? Absolutely. Is it likely? No.

Will I be wearing my Orange glasses during the game? You better believe it. But, I understand reality vs. fandom. If we come out with a W vs. Oklahoma, then Butch is the man well beyond our expectations.

If we come out with a loss?

Well, what did you realistically expect?
 
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We've had a lot more "busts" then OU. They have the advantage, and it's "relatively even."
 
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roddo518 said:
That is a bad stat to judge talent strength and depth. We have lost a lot of those guys over the last few years, but they might have lost some as well. Also Predicting talent is like predicting game outcomes too. I think a few were wrong about the South Carolina game last week.
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They would have been correct had they used this method of talent averages to predict the outcome, aTm has a better four year average than SCAR.
 
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roddo518 said:
That is a bad stat to judge talent strength and depth. We have lost a lot of those guys over the last few years, but they might have lost some as well. Also Predicting talent is like predicting game outcomes too. I think a few were wrong about the South Carolina game last week.
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Why do we go through this type post ever week? I hope Tennessee fans know better.
 
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As other posters have said, we have had a ton of attrition - I'd venture to say a great deal more than OU. From the 2011 - 2013 classes, we have lost the following players (note that a handful were JUCO and would be gone by now anyway)

26 players (essentially an entire class), and a number of them rated 4 stars:

DeAnthony Arnett (4*)
Allan Carson (2*)
Cameron Clear (4*)
Mo Couch (4*) – JUCO, would be gone anyway
Vincent Dallas (3*)
Izauea Lanier (4*)
Pat Martin (4*)
Byron Moore (4*) – JUCO, would be gone anyway
Alan Posey (3*)
Antonio Richardson (4*) – DRAFT
Tom Smith (3*)
Deion Bonner (4*)
Davante Bourque (4*)
Daniel Gray (3*)
Alden Hill (3*)
Daniel McCullers (4*) – JUCO, would be gone anyway
Cordarrelle Patterson (4*) – JUCO, would be gone anyway
Dante Phillips (4*)
Darrington Sentimore (3*) – JUCO, would be gone anyway
Trent Taylor (3*)
Quenshaun Watson (3*)
Malik Brown (3*)
Jason Carr (4*)
Riley Ferguson (3*)
Paul Harris (4*)
Jabo Lee (3*)

All I can say is D'OH! :eek:
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Why do we go through this type post ever week? I hope Tennessee fans know better.
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Fans gonna fan. I don't really blame them though. We'll take any glimmer of hope there is. The OP's stats don't really tell the full story of the two rosters, but . . . . I have to admit that I would've guessed Oklahoma had recruited a little better than that.
 
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iBleedOrangeWhite said:
I know we've suffered attrition and lost ju-cos but we have had a very neck and neck competition with OU over the last 5 years in recruiting. According to rivals dating back to 2010 here is how we stack up with them.

2010 UT-9 OU-7
2011 UT-13 OU-14
2012 UT -17 OU-11
2013 UT-21 OU-15
2014 UT-5 OU-15

That is an average of #13 for us and about #12(.4) for OU. That means from a talent level we should at least be on a relatively even playing field. Let's just hop CBJ can coach em up to make up for the other areas we are lacking(proven depth, experience, losing so many starters on both lines, etc.) Anyways, hadn't seen this discussed and just found it interesting how close in recruiting the two programs have been recently. Go Vols!
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iBleedOrangeWhite said:
I know we've suffered attrition and lost ju-cos but we have had a very neck and neck competition with OU over the last 5 years in recruiting. According to rivals dating back to 2010 here is how we stack up with them.

2010 UT-9 OU-7
2011 UT-13 OU-14
2012 UT -17 OU-11
2013 UT-21 OU-15
2014 UT-5 OU-15

That is an average of #13 for us and about #12(.4) for OU. That means from a talent level we should at least be on a relatively even playing field. Let's just hop CBJ can coach em up to make up for the other areas we are lacking(proven depth, experience, losing so many starters on both lines, etc.) Anyways, hadn't seen this discussed and just found it interesting how close in recruiting the two programs have been recently. Go Vols!
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Dooley's classes were a mirage. Can't compare '10, '11 & '12 classes with any validity IMO. Plus, as you noted, attrition left the numbers from those classes decimated. Add in the fact that we've had staff and system changes vs Stoops having 15 years tenure and stability at Oklahoma. Significant advantage: OU.
 
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Carlitovol said:
As other posters have said, we have had a ton of attrition - I'd venture to say a great deal more than OU. From the 2011 - 2013 classes, we have lost the following players (note that a handful were JUCO and would be gone by now anyway)

26 players (essentially an entire class), and a number of them rated 4 stars:

DeAnthony Arnett (4*)
Allan Carson (2*)
Cameron Clear (4*)
Mo Couch (4*) – JUCO, would be gone anyway
Vincent Dallas (3*)
Izauea Lanier (4*)
Pat Martin (4*)
Byron Moore (4*) – JUCO, would be gone anyway
Alan Posey (3*)
Antonio Richardson (4*) – DRAFT
Tom Smith (3*)
Deion Bonner (4*)
Davante Bourque (4*)
Daniel Gray (3*)
Alden Hill (3*)
Daniel McCullers (4*) – JUCO, would be gone anyway
Cordarrelle Patterson (4*) – JUCO, would be gone anyway
Dante Phillips (4*)
Darrington Sentimore (3*) – JUCO, would be gone anyway
Trent Taylor (3*)
Quenshaun Watson (3*)
Malik Brown (3*)
Jason Carr (4*)
Riley Ferguson (3*)
Paul Harris (4*)
Jabo Lee (3*)

All I can say is D'OH! :eek:
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So far our FR class since their signing has been viewed to be significantly better than these 26. IF the player listed above they would have stuck......Those slots would have never opened up.. Crazy how things work out

BTW- Watson- Hall of Fame Jacket
 
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I really don't care where those classes were ranked. The attrition and the eye test shows that those guys weren't going to have a lot of success in this league.. Dooley talent wasn't SEC talent.. Dooley was a waste of 3 years and a failed attempt to save face by a few folks..
 
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iBleedOrangeWhite said:
I know we've suffered attrition and lost ju-cos but we have had a very neck and neck competition with OU over the last 5 years in recruiting. According to rivals dating back to 2010 here is how we stack up with them.

2010 UT-9 OU-7
2011 UT-13 OU-14
2012 UT -17 OU-11
2013 UT-21 OU-15
2014 UT-5 OU-15

That is an average of #13 for us and about #12(.4) for OU. That means from a talent level we should at least be on a relatively even playing field. Let's just hop CBJ can coach em up to make up for the other areas we are lacking(proven depth, experience, losing so many starters on both lines, etc.) Anyways, hadn't seen this discussed and just found it interesting how close in recruiting the two programs have been recently. Go Vols!
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All I need to know that stars and stats from 2010-11-12 and even 2013 are irrelevant is to see we played 20 or 30 freshmen last week. Star gazers fall into this trap every week on VN.
 
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All I'm gonna say is, I think right now, we have a better chance of beating OU than UGA or Bama. Gonna come down to our defense and their ability to stop the run, which is still an unknown at this point.

If we can force those teams to beat us through the air we have a chance in all three.
 
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Some of you should try to comprehend what someone is saying rather than attempt to be pessimistic at all costs. I understand the attrition, the lack of recruiting in areas, the inexperience, etc. I stated I understood we are at a disadvantage and never said we were as skilled and fine tuned as Oklahoma but from a raw talent standpoint I don't think there is as big as a gap as a lot of you like to think. I would like to see a list of all the attrition they've had compared to us. Losing players in college isn't a rarity, it happens to everyone. It has maybe had a more profound effect on us and we have lost slightly more than the average team but as I said I doubt we have lost so much that it has dropped our talent level that much. I think if we play sound fundamental football we can hang with these guys and maybe have a fighters chance in the 4th quarter.
 
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iBleedOrangeWhite said:
I know we've suffered attrition and lost ju-cos but we have had a very neck and neck competition with OU over the last 5 years in recruiting. According to rivals dating back to 2010 here is how we stack up with them.

2010 UT-9 OU-7
2011 UT-13 OU-14
2012 UT -17 OU-11
2013 UT-21 OU-15
2014 UT-5 OU-15

That is an average of #13 for us and about #12(.4) for OU. That means from a talent level we should at least be on a relatively even playing field. Let's just hop CBJ can coach em up to make up for the other areas we are lacking(proven depth, experience, losing so many starters on both lines, etc.) Anyways, hadn't seen this discussed and just found it interesting how close in recruiting the two programs have been recently. Go Vols!
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I hope the football team doesn't look ahead and forget about ASU. I'll worry about Oklahoma when Oklahoma week gets here. One game at a time
 
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iBleedOrangeWhite said:
I know we've suffered attrition and lost ju-cos but we have had a very neck and neck competition with OU over the last 5 years in recruiting. According to rivals dating back to 2010 here is how we stack up with them.

2010 UT-9 OU-7
2011 UT-13 OU-14
2012 UT -17 OU-11
2013 UT-21 OU-15
2014 UT-5 OU-15

That is an average of #13 for us and about #12(.4) for OU. That means from a talent level we should at least be on a relatively even playing field. Let's just hop CBJ can coach em up to make up for the other areas we are lacking(proven depth, experience, losing so many starters on both lines, etc.) Anyways, hadn't seen this discussed and just found it interesting how close in recruiting the two programs have been recently. Go Vols!
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Very interesting... Not surprising though if you've been following ut. We've had some decent classes we just haven't necessarily filled our highest priority slots and have lost a ton of players. I think the class from last year was so significant because all the kids made it in and we addressed all our areas of need. Also, as I've said many times... We signed a ton of kids. 32 was a huge number. And we really don't get credit for a bunch of them because the rankings are based off just the highest 17 or so.
I really believe this is going to be the best team we've had in a long time. Yet the fan base has allowed the media to convince them that 6 wins is about all we could hope to accomplish. Bs! We have a very underappreciated senior qb, some excellent experienced leadership on D, some great skill players, and the same exact staff in place for two consecutive years now. We could win 8-9 games this year which we haven't had the chance at doing in several years. Lets go kick ok's ass and fight like hell to win a weaker than usual sece! Go vols
 
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